Campsite Destroyed

[SWWASAS]

Even though I have been commenting on the weather issue, I had not really read anything about the Wes Germer sighting. Just now I clicked on the above link that clubfoot posted taking me to the Lewisville weather. I live in the Lewisville area. The weather link provided is for the Pearson Airport which is in Vancouver WA, right next to the Columbic river about 20 some miles away. Then I read the thread and find out that the sighting was near the Sunset Falls area near Yacolt Mountain. We are talking about my research area. Well I have a problem immediately with the narrative. I am very familiar with and have been on nearly every mountain in this area. Looking at my USGS maps of the area near Sunset Falls, the nearest named mountain to Sunset Falls is Bells Mountain, the location of my first footprint find. Yacolt Mountain is just North of Lucia falls and well away from the Lewis River. Certainly the name of the mountain could have escaped him, but I think the weather and moon phases are the least of the problem with this story. When you describe the event as happening near a mountain that does not exist, I have real problems with the story.

Edited March 24, 2015 by SWWASASQUATCHPROJECT

[MarkGlasgow]

^^^

I also hold little patience for hoaxers and strongly feel we give too much attention to hoaxer’s period.

You are quite correct GS. Unfortunately however, hoaxing and BF seems go very comfortably hand in hand.

As in the world of BFF, incredible claims will attract substantial query, and quite rightly so. When these claims throw up red flags when placed under the microscope then it's open season.

If I was a fan or subscriber to the show then I'd very much want to know if some of the content was legitimate or fabricated.

[SWWASAS]

Even though I have been commenting on the weather issue, I had not really read anything about the Wes Germer sighting. Just now I clicked on the above link that clubfoot posted taking me to the Lewisville weather. I live in the Lewisville area. The weather link provided is for the Pearson Airport which is in Vancouver WA, right next to the Columbic river about 20 some miles away. Then I read the thread and find out that the sighting was near the Sunset Falls area near Yacolt Mountain. We are talking about my research area. Well I have a problem immediately with the narrative. I am very familiar with and have been on nearly every mountain in this area. Looking at my USGS maps of the area near Sunset Falls, the nearest named mountain to Sunset Falls is Bells Mountain, the location of my first footprint find. Yacolt Mountain is well North of Lucia falls and well away from the Lewis River. Certainly the name of the mountain could have escaped him, but I think the weather and moon phases are the least of the problem with this story. When you describe the event as happening near a mountain that is in a different place or a completely different falls, I have real problems with the story.

Edited March 24, 2015 by SWWASASQUATCHPROJECT

[Guest]

You are quite correct GS. Unfortunately however, hoaxing and BF seems go very comfortably hand in hand.

As in the world of BFF, incredible claims will attract substantial query, and quite rightly so. When these claims throw up red flags when placed under the microscope then it's open season.

If I was a fan or subscriber to the show then I'd very much want to know if some of the content was legitimate or fabricated.

 

Well we do share some commonalities there.

[Airdale]

These are the GPS coordinates that Wes provided for their encounter: lat 45.82798 lon -122.22641. This is just above the East Fork of the Lewis River on the road initially identified on Google Earth as NE Sunset Falls Rd. and which turns into Natl Forest Develop Road 42 Rd (that is exactly as it is shown on GE). There is no mountain name shown for the GPS coordinates on GE, but a mountain located roughly two miles WSW of Yacolt is identified as Yacolt Mountain. I don't have USGS maps of the area and can't speak to the accuracy of the labeling, but Google Earth certainly contains plenty of location errors, i.e,, the town of Greenwater, WA as shown on GE is roughly 1.9 miles SE of the actual town, and in the middle of a forested flat land about .5 miles from Hwy. 410 that the actual town straddles.

 

From what I have been able to make of it, most of the noise on this is coming from a group related to Bigfoot Encounters. Wes has been accused of making upwards of $30 k monthly (which would require 4,285 paid subscribers) and driving a new $70 k Hummer (he actually drives a ten year old H3). He got a call at about 3:00 a.m. one night last week requesting a copy of the death certificate for his grandfather (Wes and Woody said their grandfather had passed away the week before their encounter and they were driving around up in the mountains late at night talking about that) from an individual who claimed to already have the death certificate for his father. I've never met Wes or Woody, the folks that have only have good things to say about them.

[Guest ChasingRabbits]

The last time I went camping last fall, there was no forecast for rain, so I went camping.     Sure enough,  at Trout Lake, near Mt Adams,   it rained on me and very few other places in Washington.     Of course I have a history of being a rain magnet when I camp.    I have thought about renting myself out to drought stricken farmers.    Just having me set up camp, will almost ensure it rains no matter what the forecast.  

 

We get "drought" conditions here every 4-5 years. I'll keep you in mind the next time that happens. ;-)

[beerhunter]

I am not sure if this deserves it's own thread or not, but has anyone seen the video posted by Mitch Waite on Youtube under the name Bigfoot Research. He found what appears to be a sleeping bag, covered with blood, a broken shovel and a pillow. They are out in the middle of nowhere. I am not sure I'd disturb the scene in any way because it could be a crime scene. What would you do under the same circumstance?

[Guest ChasingRabbits]

I am not sure if this deserves it's own thread or not, but has anyone seen the video posted by Mitch Waite on Youtube under the name Bigfoot Research. He found what appears to be a sleeping bag, covered with blood, a broken shovel and a pillow. They are out in the middle of nowhere. I am not sure I'd disturb the scene in any way because it could be a crime scene. What would you do under the same circumstance?

 

I'd call the cops if I came across a bloody (or seemingly bloody) sleeping bag, etc.  in the middle of the woods or in a park/hiking trail.  It could be a crime scene or crime evidence (the gangs in the Big City used to do their executions and burials in the rural areas of my state.) I'd snap a photo of it and the area too.

[Guest]

I agree law enforcement should be notified and the scene left undisturbed,

[Bonehead74]

There's a difference between "skeptics" and "debunkers". Skeptics are on the fence about a subject, requiring evidence to make up their minds. Debunkers, however, go out of their way to prove something is false and/or take the initial position that something is false. I'm a skeptic, but I'm not a debunker.

Any thoughts on "apologists" and "useful idiots"?

[SWWASAS]

These are the GPS coordinates that Wes provided for their encounter: lat 45.82798 lon -122.22641. This is just above the East Fork of the Lewis River on the road initially identified on Google Earth as NE Sunset Falls Rd. and which turns into Natl Forest Develop Road 42 Rd (that is exactly as it is shown on GE). There is no mountain name shown for the GPS coordinates on GE, but a mountain located roughly two miles WSW of Yacolt is identified as Yacolt Mountain. I don't have USGS maps of the area and can't speak to the accuracy of the labeling, but Google Earth certainly contains plenty of location errors, i.e,, the town of Greenwater, WA as shown on GE is roughly 1.9 miles SE of the actual town, and in the middle of a forested flat land about .5 miles from Hwy. 410 that the actual town straddles.

Those coordinates on my USGS map are on FR4205 and that is 11 miles from Yacolt Mountain which is SW of the city of Yacolt. Yacolt Mountain being so far away I do not know why it was even mentioned in the narrative. FR4205 branches off from FR42 East of the Sunset Falls campground. I have been on 4205 myself. I had paranormal experience in the area related to my audio recorder. Certainly the area is deep in BF territory so an encounter there is quite likely but I cannot understand why Yacolt Mountain even mentioned.

Just West of Molton Falls on Sunset falls road, a paper carrier stopped his car beside the road to check his subscription list and make sure he had not missed delivering a paper. He looked up and looking down into his car at him was a BF. It was close enough that it could have reached in the car and grabbed him.

The town of Yacolt is the location of one of the most witnessed BF sightings ever documented. Their baseball field is adjacent to forest. One evening, during a baseball game, everyone at the game witnessed a BF walk out of the forest, stand there for nearly a minute, watching the game, before it turned and went back into the woodline. I would guess that the sound of the bat hitting the ball sounded like wood knocks. Or maybe it just wanted to play.

Sure keep me in mind Chasing Rabbits the next time you need rain. Works nearly every time.

Edited March 24, 2015 by SWWASASQUATCHPROJECT

[Guest ChasingRabbits]

Any thoughts on "apologists" and "useful idiots"?

 

An apologist is someone who offers a defense for something. For example, the people here who share their photos on stick structures, their encounters, etc. are Bigfoot  apologists. People who write blogs about why veganism is healthy, environmentally friendly and sustainable are vegan apologists.

 

A useful idiot is what I would call a band wagon jumper: someone who takes up a cause because everyone else is doing it too (ex. people who follow the Paleo Diet because all of their friends follow it.)

 

Sure keep me in mind Chasing Rabbits the next time you need rain. Works nearly every time.

 

I certainly will.  BTW, I really appreciate your info on that location. It's helping me make up my mind about Wes and Woody's story.

[Guest]

Those coordinates on my USGS map are on FR4205 and that is 11 miles from Yacolt Mountain which is SW of the city of Yacolt. Yacolt Mountain being so far away I do not know why it was even mentioned in the narrative. FR4205 branches off from FR42 East of the Sunset Falls campground. I have been on 4205 myself. I had paranormal experience in the area related to my audio recorder. Certainly the area is deep in BF territory so an encounter there is quite likely but I cannot understand why Yacolt Mountain even mentioned.

Just West of Molton Falls on Sunset falls road, a paper carrier stopped his car beside the road to check his subscription list and make sure he had not missed delivering a paper. He looked up and looking down into his car at him was a BF. It was close enough that it could have reached in the car and grabbed him.

The town of Yacolt is the location of one of the most witnessed BF sightings ever documented. Their baseball field is adjacent to forest. One evening, during a baseball game, everyone at the game witnessed a BF walk out of the forest, stand there for nearly a minute, watching the game, before it turned and went back into the woodline. I would guess that the sound of the bat hitting the ball sounded like wood knocks. Or maybe it just wanted to play.

Sure keep me in mind Chasing Rabbits the next time you need rain. Works nearly every time.

 

 

Hey SWWASP, people generally easier to identify with larger objects, names or cities as a point of reference rather than some obscure unknown location as in the Wes situation not exactly where GPS coordinates present it to be. Just my thoughts on it. 

 

 

I am not sure if this deserves it's own thread or not, but has anyone seen the video posted by Mitch Waite on Youtube under the name Bigfoot Research. He found what appears to be a sleeping bag, covered with blood, a broken shovel and a pillow. They are out in the middle of nowhere. I am not sure I'd disturb the scene in any way because it could be a crime scene. What would you do under the same circumstance?

 

I would have to agree Northfork, if you find something that doesn't seem right take a photo, grab some coordinates if possible, and notify your local authorities but I would not disturb it.

 

[Airdale]

SWWASASQUATCHPROJECT:

Those coordinates on my USGS map are on FR4205 and that is 11 miles from Yacolt Mountain which is SW of the city of Yacolt. Yacolt Mountain being so far away I do not know why it was even mentioned in the narrative. FR4205 branches off from FR42 East of the Sunset Falls campground. I have been on 4205 myself. I had paranormal experience in the area related to my audio recorder. Certainly the area is deep in BF territory so an encounter there is quite likely but I cannot understand why Yacolt Mountain even mentioned.

 

Yacolt Mountain is also fairly heavily developed with a number of homes and some kind of small quarry operation on top. The only things that come to mind to explain the incorrect name are either a misunderstanding of the actual name, or that it is some kind of family or private name for the mountain. An example that I'm familiar with is in Helena, Montana where I grew up and still live near. One of three gulches south of town is named Dry Gulch, likely because the bed of the stream obviously responsible for cutting the gulch no longer has any water flow other than when there is a heavy rain. Davis Street runs through town for a bit over a mile then up Dry Gulch for about 5 more miles, and many people refer to Dry Gulch as Davis Gulch. Google Earth even shows the road changing to Davis Gulch Road. This leads to some confusion, especially with new residents. I've encountered other examples where people use the wrong name for a creek or other geographic feature because that's the way they learned it; often trying to correct the error is an exercise in frustration, especially when a common reference like Google Earth cannot always be relied on.

[Guest]

Wes has said before he didnt realize at first that they were bigfoot. That his brother and him called them monsters for the first week or two. But in the email he calls them bigfoot, sent the day after his encounter. Therefore i dont believe him. Also he has said the big one walked from left to right, then another time he says it was right to left. How do you not remember which way the 10 ft tall bigfoot went ? Odd... i think he made it up.

Edited March 24, 2015 by ItsAsquatch