Campsite Destroyed

[MIB]

What do you say?

 

I'll say what I've said before.   Nothing happened.  Nobody was killed.   There was no cover up by any nefarious gov't agency because there was nothing to cover up other than Bob Garrett covering his lies.  Every single item you've claimed as FACT has nothing but Bob Garrett's word, or what amounts others regurgitating Bob's word, to back it up and that word has been self-contradictory at times.

 

It is much fuss about nothing more serious than another hoaxer being outed.

 

It appears to me that you have some sort of personal investment in Bob Garrett's credibility.   Who knows, maybe you are Bob Garrett.  In any event, you're "doubling-down" gambling your credibility on his.  You've made a very very bad bet. 

 

MIB

[Guest]

East Texas does seem to have more aggressive squatch encounters, (maybe a BFRO scanner can back that up)?

 

One has to also wonder about the Sas Chron episode where Wes went out with him? and had the log throwing encounters with Shannon.

 

What was up with that? No one has commented on that baby. And thats a pretty big baby.

 

So it would not be far off the mark to make up a "dramatic" story for this area, color around the edges, make it blend in.

 

Who, what, why? The thread could easily be broadened into a general ''hoaxer'' thread, which, given this is a BF site, probably needs to be. A special area for ''hoax'' reports and analysis.

[Guest diana swampbooger]

I don't know, Wag. When you look at Brandon Garret's YT's, those guys are packing some serious heat. I don't suppose it's purely for entertainment.

[Guest UPs]

2 years ago, I found an abandoned campsite on a remote lake. The trail/road dead ends at this spot and it is an extremely difficult road to use anything other than an ATV. This spot is used by mostly locals to put in a small boat and is the only public access to this lake. My daughter and I went there last year and found a total of 9 hidden boats that appeared to have been stolen and were in very poor condition.

What I had found was 2 new tents that were almost completely collapsed, sleeping bag, and just a few scattered supplies. Other than a broken tent pole, there was very little damage to what was left. I saw no bite marks or scratches and the ground had no fresh prints or tracks because of heavy rain in the past few days prior to my arrival. The most likely thing that happened was the campers got soaked from the heavy rain and just abandoned the campsite. The only problem with this theory is the road leading into this spot would be almost impassible during or after heavy rain, but there was really not much else to go on. I found no clothing, bodies, weapons, etc that would indicate something nefarious happened. I may have taken pictures of this area and if I can find them, I will try and post them.

As far as this specific report by Bob Barrett goes, there just hasn't been enough verification of the facts for me to consider it likely to be bf related. As to the SC and Wes encounter, that one goes into the most likely to be untrue pile. There really are not many reports that I personally consider true beyond a reasonable doubt and one that comes to mind is Bob Jackson's. This doesn't mean I don't believe any other reports because I do, but there are a few that stand out. UPs

[Cisco]

East Texas does seem to have more aggressive squatch encounters, (maybe a BFRO scanner can back that up)?

 

One has to also wonder about the Sas Chron episode where Wes went out with him? and had the log throwing encounters with Shannon.

 

What was up with that? No one has commented on that baby. And thats a pretty big baby.

 

So it would not be far off the mark to make up a "dramatic" story for this area, color around the edges, make it blend in.

 

Who, what, why? The thread could easily be broadened into a general ''hoaxer'' thread, which, given this is a BF site, probably needs to be. A special area for ''hoax'' reports and analysis.

I have not heard this episode yet but it's on my list. I tend to jump around quite a bit and listen to episodes that have a catchier title. I had set this one aside because I was already a bit jaded and was not sure I could tolerate any more BS from these guys. I'm certain they were in terrible danger, had to pull out guns and witnessed dozens of giant Sasqucth running around, throwing logs. I'm also confident that, in the excitement, no video was taken of the creatures and the same holds true for photos. Any video showing logs being thrown does not count, unless it shows a Sasquatch actually throwing the log. Knowing these guys, they did get video but it was confiscated by the Feds, shortly afterwards.

Classic hoax scenario....

[Guest]

2 years ago, I found an abandoned campsite on a remote lake. The trail/road dead ends at this spot and it is an extremely difficult road to use anything other than an ATV. This spot is used by mostly locals to put in a small boat and is the only public access to this lake. My daughter and I went there last year and found a total of 9 hidden boats that appeared to have been stolen and were in very poor condition.

What I had found was 2 new tents that were almost completely collapsed, sleeping bag, and just a few scattered supplies. Other than a broken tent pole, there was very little damage to what was left. I saw no bite marks or scratches and the ground had no fresh prints or tracks because of heavy rain in the past few days prior to my arrival. The most likely thing that happened was the campers got soaked from the heavy rain and just abandoned the campsite. The only problem with this theory is the road leading into this spot would be almost impassible during or after heavy rain, but there was really not much else to go on. I found no clothing, bodies, weapons, etc that would indicate something nefarious happened. I may have taken pictures of this area and if I can find them, I will try and post them.

As far as this specific report by Bob Barrett goes, there just hasn't been enough verification of the facts for me to consider it likely to be bf related. As to the SC and Wes encounter, that one goes into the most likely to be untrue pile. There really are not many reports that I personally consider true beyond a reasonable doubt and one that comes to mind is Bob Jackson's. This doesn't mean I don't believe any other reports because I do, but there are a few that stand out. UPs

 

@ Ups  - Welcome to the thread Ups, it’s been a while. I think somebody was shaking the beehive a little too much. All of the evidence is highly circumstantial — but worth considering. I have to say the cases are every bit as disturbing and thought-provoking as those found in the previous or current threads presented here.  

 

I have not heard this episode yet but it's on my list. I tend to jump around quite a bit and listen to episodes that have a catchier title. I had set this one aside because I was already a bit jaded and was not sure I could tolerate any more BS from these guys. I'm certain they were in terrible danger, had to pull out guns and witnessed dozens of giant Sasqucth running around, throwing logs. I'm also confident that, in the excitement, no video was taken of the creatures and the same holds true for photos. Any video showing logs being thrown does not count, unless it shows a Sasquatch actually throwing the log. Knowing these guys, they did get video but it was confiscated by the Feds, shortly afterwards.

Classic hoax scenario....

 

Bigfoot is a subject that can be counted upon to stir emotion and controversy into any conversation or argument. You will be taken out of context, you’ll be clipped, and you’ll be battered with things you said.

I don't think that will prevent BigFoot researchers or Paranormal investigators from doing their thing and reporting their findings. As I've written, I don't think Garrett's problem is Big Foot evidence, but rather evidence of law enforcement incompetency. Remove Big Foot and the impression anyone would get from Garrett's video would be "why didn't law enforcement respond to that?" SC further publicizing it didn't make things any better. Sam Houston National Forest where this video was filmed is Federal property, under the jurisdiction of the Federal government. It's not the local yokels sleeping on the job: it's the Feds. 

 

Should the public know about the incompetency of public servants? Heck YEAH!

 

Another thought about the Feds and its octopus arms in National parks. I'm sure many of us have recently heard about the military training exercise occurring or about to occur in the Southwestern states from Texas to California. It doesn't take much imagination to figure out the training will take place on Federal lands like bases/forts and the National Parks. This training exercise gives life to my theory that Garrett, hunters of the big Foot and non-Big foot kind, bird watchers, rock hounds, campers and hikers are potentially treading near areas the Feds don't want them to be.  It also makes NPS's proposed fines for photos of national forests rational too: your photo of a mountain might capture more than trees, forest animals, and rocks. And think about it from the Feds' point of view. A hunter hikes into a remote area of a national forest and hangs up game cams hoping to track deer or whatever else. What happens if the game cams snap  pics of new weapon or device? Uh-oh......there goes classified information.

 

Again, if Garrett is being harassed by the Feds, I don't think it's due to his Big Foot research. I think it's because Garrett's research area is too close to something the Feds are working on and they don't want even a whisper of it documented and posted on a website under the caption "Sasquatch drinking water" because a video or photo of something like that will be examined inch by inch by Big Foot researchers and debunkers (look at ThinkerThunker's analysis of vids and photos).  Who would have mud on their faces if the Sasquatch photo not only had a Sasquatch but also a visible portion of a secret bunker?

 

@Chasing Rabbits

Big Thicket National Preserve Prohibits the Use of Unmanned Aircraft

Big Thicket National Preserve Acting Superintendent Merrick Moody announced today that the Preserve will prohibit the launching, operation, and landing of unmanned aircraft from or on lands and waters administered by the National Park Service within the boundaries of the Big Thicket National Preserve except as approved in writing by the Superintendent.

http://nvbaa.org/tag/prohibit-the/

East Texas does seem to have more aggressive squatch encounters, (maybe a BFRO scanner can back that up)?

 

One has to also wonder about the Sas Chron episode where Wes went out with him? and had the log throwing encounters with Shannon.

 

What was up with that? No one has commented on that baby. And thats a pretty big baby.

 

So it would not be far off the mark to make up a "dramatic" story for this area, color around the edges, make it blend in.

 

Who, what, why? The thread could easily be broadened into a general ''hoaxer'' thread, which, given this is a BF site, probably needs to be. A special area for ''hoax'' reports and analysis.

 

That’s what I hear but don’t much to say about it.  You want a hoax thread go start one.  LOL

I don't know, Wag. When you look at Brandon Garret's YT's, those guys are packing some serious heat. I don't suppose it's purely for entertainment.

 

Thanks for the comment DS!

Edited May 8, 2015 by Gumshoeye

[Guest]

I don't know, Wag. When you look at Brandon Garret's YT's, those guys are packing some serious heat. I don't suppose it's purely for entertainment.

East Texas has probably quite a few nasty squatch encounter stories. That area is probably pretty squatchy. Doesn't mean they don't fill in the blanks with BS. Its a ''male'' thing to do. Doesn't mean that its not 5% true, maybe they got a woodknock. Then they fill in the blanks with BS. Who knows. But pattern recognition is possible on all of these experiences. Just as I stated ONE Sas Chron sounded ''over the top'' because the squatch smashed down on the camper top.

 

Just as Will stated the 1930's Kidnapping story was (told to him) to be untrue. Because there is no story like that. But if they did kidnap people, you wouldnt hear about it. And this was an OLD story. And it does fit the 411 kidnap scenario. Without his gun, he was NOT getting out.

 

Also, now many of the kidnappings talk about disrobing, was this a lesson learned from the 'Olberdorf'' kidnap episode?

[Guest]

East Texas does seem to have more aggressive squatch encounters, (maybe a BFRO scanner can back that up)?

 

One has to also wonder about the Sas Chron episode where Wes went out with him? and had the log throwing encounters with Shannon.

 

What was up with that? No one has commented on that baby. And thats a pretty big baby.

 

So it would not be far off the mark to make up a "dramatic" story for this area, color around the edges, make it blend in.

 

Who, what, why? The thread could easily be broadened into a general ''hoaxer'' thread, which, given this is a BF site, probably needs to be. A special area for ''hoax'' reports and analysis.

 

I must have missed that episode as well.  Some suggest Bigfoot fear man well either you cower, or you get in their face and take your chances or run the risk of being like a rented mule. As one warrior strategist once noted, “You might as well stand and fight because if you run, you`ll only die tired." [Vern Joque-Sei Shin Kan]  Did they stand their ground or evacuate?

[Guest ChasingRabbits]

 

@Chasing Rabbits

Big Thicket National Preserve Prohibits the Use of Unmanned Aircraft

Big Thicket National Preserve Acting Superintendent Merrick Moody announced today that the Preserve will prohibit the launching, operation, and landing of unmanned aircraft from or on lands and waters administered by the National Park Service within the boundaries of the Big Thicket National Preserve except as approved in writing by the Superintendent.

http://nvbaa.org/tag/prohibit-the/

 

 

Which means that either drones have been used in that park and they want it to stop or drones are going to be used and they don't want that to start.

 

And you have to think, why don't they want drone usage in that location. Answer: they have something there they don't want photographed. I suspect that "something" has nothing to do with Big Foot or any other paranormal sighting and everything to do with a classified Military-Industrial Complex project.

[Cisco]

I just realized, this story about Bob Garret, as well as many stories from SC, remind of the Land Between the Lakes monster story, as told by Tim "Coonbo" Baker.

 

In that story, there's all sorts of allegations of a federal cover up, including secret, ground level, cement bunkers, with openings to fire a machine gun. Coonbo is a master story teller and by the time you're done listening, you're convinced it was true. However, like what we have been discussing, none of it can be verified and people have tried.

 

They even found the cement "bunkers" which ended up being some kind of industrial infrastructure. Like all great, fictional stories, there was a little truth mixed in, to add credibility to the tale.

 

The Garret story and the SC stories and claims, follow the same formula. A little truth, filled in with a lot of fiction.

 

Gum,

 

You appear very convinced as to the authenticity of Garrets claims. Considering your back ground and experience, you must know something we don't and that would explain your support of the story.  At face value, this story is nothing more than a story and easily concocted. Again, maybe not an outright lie, but a mix and truth and fiction. Maybe Garret did find a wrecked campsite, then created the mental association with Sasquatch. Regardless, he makes many claims and provides no evidence.

 

If you have additional info; would you mind sharing it with us? It may help clarify your position and, in turn, enlighten us. If you do have more knowledge, but can't share it, then please advise.

 

Since we don't have any other info, by which to gauge this story; I'm sure you understand why it's so hard to believe?

[Guest]

Just for the record, if someone believes Sasquatch to be real, it's hard for me to imagine them not considering the creature at least capable of inflicting great harm.  I mean, it's reported to be a nine foot tall, 800+ pound man-beast!  I guess the debate is their propensity for violence.  I would believe them to be extremely dangerous, just like hogs, bears, lions, rhinos, etc.  Some will say, "I've seen plenty of bear and they run away..."  My response is, "of course they do, until they don't..."  A giant primate could be more or less predisposed to violence, I couldn't say which, but the capability would be devastating.  I do know gorillas seem pretty fierce at times and can tear stuff up.  

 

My biggest question about some of these accounts isn't Sasquatch violence, but the cover-up.   I generally don't buy into conspiracy theories as a rule, but there are times when I scratch my head.  I can't imagine LE not burning rubber to get to a 911 call like the one reported in the SHNF.  I've almost killed myself getting to disturbances.  A call with these claims would/should prompt an immediate and large scale response.  BTW, even though it's a national forest, with only two BLM rangers for the forest, I imagine a sheriff's deputy would respond to the initial call.  Likely, in Texas you would end up with sheriff's deputies (patrol immediately and probably shortly after detectives and the actual sheriff), constables, possibly highway patrol, and likely a Texas ranger.  And you'd have a hard time keeping volunteer firemen away as well.  God bless them, but boy are they motivated!  That's been my experience.  It's hard for me to understand a story when it goes against what I've seen many times over, but I'll never say never.

 

Now, to me something like the "Siege at Honobia" wreaks of BS for many reasons.  From the level of violence, to the actions of our players, to the harassment by game wardens.  I have a hard time buying any of it.  It's a "B" horror flick IMHO, but it's possible many other stories have a grain of truth somewhere.

 

I'll add that east Texas has some wild woods and even wilder critters.  Aggressive behavior would not surprise me at all.  If I lived out in those bug infested, unGodly humid and hot swamps 24/7, I'd be angry as well!  One could go insane from the mosquitoes alone.

 

 

[Guest]

I just realized, this story about Bob Garret, as well as many stories from SC, remind of the Land Between the Lakes monster story, as told by Tim "Coonbo" Baker.

 

In that story, there's all sorts of allegations of a federal cover up, including secret, ground level, cement bunkers, with openings to fire a machine gun. Coonbo is a master story teller and by the time you're done listening, you're convinced it was true. However, like what we have been discussing, none of it can be verified and people have tried.

 

They even found the cement "bunkers" which ended up being some kind of industrial infrastructure. Like all great, fictional stories, there was a little truth mixed in, to add credibility to the tale.

 

The Garret story and the SC stories and claims, follow the same formula. A little truth, filled in with a lot of fiction.

 

Gum,

 

You appear very convinced as to the authenticity of Garrets claims. Considering your back ground and experience, you must know something we don't and that would explain your support of the story.  At face value, this story is nothing more than a story and easily concocted. Again, maybe not an outright lie, but a mix and truth and fiction. Maybe Garret did find a wrecked campsite, then created the mental association with Sasquatch. Regardless, he makes many claims and provides no evidence.

 

If you have additional info; would you mind sharing it with us? It may help clarify your position and, in turn, enlighten us. If you do have more knowledge, but can't share it, then please advise.

 

Since we don't have any other info, by which to gauge this story; I'm sure you understand why it's so hard to believe?

 

@ Cisco, I always enjoy reading your comments. Nice post and a very interesting discussion. I thought you put forth a provocative discussion plausible and well-supported. I would just like to raise two points, one related to the discussion and that is I am not so certain that I am convinced of anything other than nobody other than the individuals in question knows what the real truth of the matter.

 

Secondly, what I attempt to do is remind everyone all the clamor originates in the court of public opinion, not the court of law. We leap from blind men to Eagle Scout investigators able to see everything using equations of moon and solar to further a goal. We extrapolate what we hear and arrive something like this: How plus why equals who must be a lie and fiction.

It doesn’t make sense.

 

True this not a court of law so when legal terms are incorrectly injected as though to somehow give it accreditation it serves to muck up the water and distracting and takes time explain how they would apply or not in the real world of law.

 

Turning our attention back your comment this dramatic turn of events should not in any way be surprising, he was interrogated, intimidated, his computer was breach and files were taken, his internet accounts were accessed and he was locked out. None of the Sasquatch Chronicles Podcast hosts were questioned about their Bigfoot encounter or scrutinized until after they hosted that show and vowed to follow the story and bring forth any new develops.  Doesn’t that strike anyone as odd in the slightest?

 

Let us move on then, it begin as somebody did as he always apparently from I recall of his interviews, he goes out into the Big Thicket National Preserve looking for Bigfoot and that is where he makes his claim. His claim is that his party inadvertently stumbles in to an abandoned campsite.  Apparently this gentleman attempted to do something that was never tried before and he video records his find either sensing something ominous or out of a simple need to try something else.

 

I believe what he learned that night is when you cross the wrong Rubicon, you enter a harsh and unpredictable environment where critics can be harsh and unrelenting then begins a great choreography of parts and pieces to build it in a remarkable set of coincidences.

 

I viewed the video like many others; I studied it a few times each time a little bit harder my way of simply learning the nuances. I could be wrong I’m human but I observed nothing that led to believe his find was scripted nor did his voice inflection and intonation give away any tells of deception that I could detect … if you ask that is my honest opinion. Do I believe this be entertaining or fiction, no not anymore than thousands of other reports and encounters.

 

What am I to conclude?  Probably not any more or less than anyone else here but sometimes what we interpret as sneaky and cowardly acts isn’t really that at all, and doesn’t mean anything special. What it does mean is that somebody in a powerful position is probably sending a message. This is arguably the prime axiom of spin. Read between the lines and see through the spin.

Edited May 8, 2015 by Gumshoeye

[coffee2go]

My theory on this story is that Garrett may have come across an abandoned campsite with things torn up and thrown around.  Thinking it was a possible crime scene he video taped it and reported it.  Prior to that, the residents of the campsite may have come back from a hike or fishing and found their campsite trashed and left it quickly fearing whoever did it might return to harm them.

I remember camping as a child with my parents and the only weapon we had was a camp knife for sharpening marshmallow sticks.  In later years talking to family members who camp often I learned they always carry a firearm when they camp because of the people who came into camp sites to cause trouble, drink, party and harass the campers.  They said everyone nowadays carries something for protection from wildlife - or people.  I was surprised by this but didn't find it unbelievable as we had been in campgrounds while camping in the mountains and were afraid to go outside of our trailer because of noisy obnoxious people camping near us.

There was also an incident a few years ago in the BWCA of northern MN where a group of local young men harassed people who were camping on islands in the Boundary Waters shooting guns into the air and threatening to rape their daughters.  They also destroyed campsites and federal property.  They stole items from the campsites as well. The campers hid in the woods until they left and one was able to get a message to authorities who were waiting in the dark as the men came to the launch where their pickups were parked.  It ended well, but those campers were terrorized for hours and did have their site and belongings destroyed or stolen.

 

Just my opinion but the campsite Bob Garrett may have found could have been a similar incident and was embellished by SC to make a sensational story for their podcast. 

 

[Guest]

My theory on this story is that Garrett may have come across an abandoned campsite with things torn up and thrown around.  Thinking it was a possible crime scene he video taped it and reported it.  Prior to that, the residents of the campsite may have come back from a hike or fishing and found their campsite trashed and left it quickly fearing whoever did it might return to harm them.

I remember camping as a child with my parents and the only weapon we had was a camp knife for sharpening marshmallow sticks.  In later years talking to family members who camp often I learned they always carry a firearm when they camp because of the people who came into camp sites to cause trouble, drink, party and harass the campers.  They said everyone nowadays carries something for protection from wildlife - or people.  I was surprised by this but didn't find it unbelievable as we had been in campgrounds while camping in the mountains and were afraid to go outside of our trailer because of noisy obnoxious people camping near us.

There was also an incident a few years ago in the BWCA of northern MN where a group of local young men harassed people who were camping on islands in the Boundary Waters shooting guns into the air and threatening to rape their daughters.  They also destroyed campsites and federal property.  They stole items from the campsites as well. The campers hid in the woods until they left and one was able to get a message to authorities who were waiting in the dark as the men came to the launch where their pickups were parked.  It ended well, but those campers were terrorized for hours and did have their site and belongings destroyed or stolen.

 

Just my opinion but the campsite Bob Garrett may have found could have been a similar incident and was embellished by SC to make a sensational story for their podcast. 

 

@ Coffee to 2 go, Good comment very reasonable but we just don’t know and probably never will. But just for the sake of testing your theory why would five of the local jurisdictions encompassing the Big Thicket National Preserve empathically deny any calls or reports of mayhem or otherwise on that date and at that particular location?  There were spent casings, blood traces, damaged property besides abandoned equipment according to what was mentioned.  We simply don’t have the answers.   

 

 

[Cisco]

Thanks for your insight Gum and it appears you're arguing the other side of the coin. The basis of your argument is that Bob Garret is telling the truth. However, you have no proof of this, other than what Bob Garrets has said. On the other hand, effort has been made to verify Garrets story and no law enforcement agency has confirmed it. What's more likely; every sheriff's and police department, in the vicinity, is lying or Bob Garret is "adding color" to his story?

 

So, if you're willing to believe Garret, then anything can be true. However, none of his claims have been substantiated.

 

You say "read between the lines" and by doing that, we'll somehow see a government conspiracy. However, I say "look at the facts" and you'll find the only thing left, is that Bob Garret can't prove his claims and all efforts to validate them have failed.

 

As you may recall; Rick Dyer claimed the government had stolen his Bigfoot body. My opinion is that Rick Dyer was hoaxing with the goal of making money. Following your logic of "reading between the lines," Rick Dyer was telling the truth because some unseen hand, created "buzz" that turned popular opinion against him and federal agents from the Bureau of Bigfoot Control (BBC), confiscated the body.

 

At some point, the facts speak for themselves. If we start accepting everybody's claims as being true; where do we draw the line?

 

This field has already accumulated plenty of ridicule. Imagine how much worse it would be if we simply accepted everybody's claims at face value...