So Why Won't The Habituators Come Forward And Lend Bigfoot Science A Real Hand?

[Guest Crowlogic]

^ Leave it to bigfootism to live by less is more in terms of quality.  Maybe the pain in Bob Gimlin's eyes is living a lie for so many years?  He only attends pro bigfoot events so he's in his element.  Nothing to pain him externally anyway.

[SWWASAS]

^ Leave it to bigfootism to live by less is more in terms of quality.  Maybe the pain in Bob Gimlin's eyes is living a lie for so many years?  He only attends pro bigfoot events so he's in his element.  Nothing to pain him externally anyway.

Oh so Bob should attend anti-bigfoot events like you do hanging around a pro bigfoot forum?    

[Rockape]

  Maybe the pain in Bob Gimlin's eyes is living a lie for so many years? 

 

My problem with labeling Gimlin as in on the hoax, why didn't he bust Patterson when Patterson was screwing Gimlin over for years?

[hiflier]

Hello Rockape,

And my problem is when one calls another a liar or hoaxer without the definitive proof to back it up. The PGF is still to this day being debated so as far as calling Bob Gimlin a liar? It was premature in the past and it's premature now.

[Yuchi1]

 

The three (3) long-term witnesses (aka, "habituators") I'm aware of came forward in an attempt to share their experiences with the larger community. One of them is a R.N. and her husband is a successful surgeon so (IMO) the financial angle was not in play. What these people received was a barrage of scorn followed by harassment of a level that would make most anyone paranoid. When two of these people back away from those that were engaged in gross exploitation (when at first, they came on as sincere facilitators) the vitriol went viral in that Google Earth photo's of their homes were posted online, even on a particular BF website.

 

That's among the reasons why my advice to a long-term witness is to appreciate what you are experiencing and enjoy the time but in no way expect anything but borrowed trouble from sharing this with the so-called BF Community.

 

Did these witnesses share their stories on this forum or somewhere else? Tried a quick search here and didn't find anything that looked like it pertained to the details you mention. If you could share a link or PM me, it would be appreciated; I'm interested as this is the first I've heard of it.

 

 

Michael,

 

These people came forward in good faith and in complete sincerity to another website.  This website (management) posited itself as a no-kill operation but soon thereafter the real agenda was exposed. When the LT witnesses quickly backed away is when the war started with publication of not only the heretofore not-for-publication details but Google Earth photo's of their residence(s).  What followed were legions of armed trespassers and character assassination of epic levels to name a couple of the events that transpired. A group of these people then set about and formed their own (closed) website, intended to be a conduit of information and experiences among themselves.  This site was later shut down by the operator once it was learned a member of the aforementioned website had hacked into their site.

 

And no, there is no way they would have come over here as at that time, it was BFF 1.0 and many of the members (at that time) lived beside their keyboard, drooling for the next attack to be unleashed upon any unsuspecting pilgrim that happened to wander by.

[Guest Crowlogic]

 

  Maybe the pain in Bob Gimlin's eyes is living a lie for so many years? 

 

My problem with labeling Gimlin as in on the hoax, why didn't he bust Patterson when Patterson was screwing Gimlin over for years?

 

Because to bust Roger was to also bust himself.  I believe The friendship between the two men helped Gimlin to not make waves.  In the long run it paid off for Bob.  

 

But this isn't about the PGF.  This is about modern day habbers who as we speak are claiming to be in  cahoots with bigfoot to the point they have names and can be identified on sight.  This is far far more telling than the PGF of half a century ago.  Right here is the key to solving the mystery or at the very least dis empowering the fantasy pushing contingent that drives the subject into even less credibility than it has already.

[georgerm]

Picture a retired couple building a home on 5 acres of forest land. Later they discover evidence of bigfoot living around them. They find the BFF forum, and we advise them to collect evidence or their BF stories may not be taken seriously. Do we have a training evidence collection training book for them? Where are they supposed to send hair, scat, saliva, paster foot prints ................ and the list goes on.  Now what? Do we tell them to send the evidence to the bigfoot research tower in New York that has yet to be built? Are some of us going to their property to help out? Do they later sue BFF since so called researchers arrived, and later property was damaged or stolen. So the question is just how should habituators be questioned, trusted, and guided?

[Guest Crowlogic]

You send your evidence to BFRO of course.   Or NAWAC?  Lots of serious folks to set you right in them.  How about Melba?

Edited March 16, 2016 by Crowlogic

[Twist]

Picture a retired couple building a home on 5 acres of forest land. Later they discover evidence of bigfoot living around them. They find the BFF forum, and we advise them to collect evidence or their BF stories may not be taken seriously. Do we have a training evidence collection training book for them? Where are they supposed to send hair, scat, saliva, paster foot prints ................ and the list goes on.  Now what? Do we tell them to send the evidence to the bigfoot research tower in New York that has yet to be built? Are some of us going to their property to help out? Do they later sue BFF since so called researchers arrived, and later property was damaged or stolen. So the question is just how should habituators be questioned, trusted, and guided?

 

Even if I lived in a backwoods area with little access to scientific means, if I were to have regular contact with an unknown hominid that would impact science to this level I'm sure it would not be the lack of a "collection training book" that held back the discovery.  If you had multiple decent video's of the creature from a device as capable as most modern smart phones and took that to the web people would be at your doorstep to inquire.  

[Yuchi1]

 

Picture a retired couple building a home on 5 acres of forest land. Later they discover evidence of bigfoot living around them. They find the BFF forum, and we advise them to collect evidence or their BF stories may not be taken seriously. Do we have a training evidence collection training book for them? Where are they supposed to send hair, scat, saliva, paster foot prints ................ and the list goes on.  Now what? Do we tell them to send the evidence to the bigfoot research tower in New York that has yet to be built? Are some of us going to their property to help out? Do they later sue BFF since so called researchers arrived, and later property was damaged or stolen. So the question is just how should habituators be questioned, trusted, and guided?

 

Even if I lived in a backwoods area with little access to scientific means, if I were to have regular contact with an unknown hominid that would impact science to this level I'm sure it would not be the lack of a "collection training book" that held back the discovery.  If you had multiple decent video's of the creature from a device as capable as most modern smart phones and took that to the web people would be at your doorstep to shoot them.  

 

FIFY

[Twist]

I could post a Youtube video anonymously, and decide who I release the information to after being contacted via a web based email ( gmail), I would probably be smart about it and only release my personal information to someone I looked into, say a person with a scientific background.  Releasing information to someone that runs a website would not be my first choice.

 

 Are you saying that one "supposed" example of people releasing information to the wrong people ( most likely based on a poor choice ) is the rule?

 

 Lets see, I posted a video on Youtube, various people and organizations reach out to me via my web based email, if the video(s) are real and legitimately show the hominid, I'd go with a representative from an established university, not a website.  

[Yuchi1]

What I'm saying is there are people that can/will find you (Youtube video) and you may well regret posting it. There are firms/entities out there that can find the source of anything on the web, proxy IP be damned.

[Guest Cryptic Megafauna]

What I'm saying is there are people that can/will find you (Youtube video) and you may well regret posting it. There are firms/entities out there that can find the source of anything on the web, proxy IP be damned.

Use anonymous remailer and send to a channel.

They will do it for you.

[Yuchi1]

There are entities out there that can work around even those measures.

[Guest ChasingRabbits]

To the people who claim to know how professional people behave....I'm one of the people here with a medical background and I've worked with doctors and nurses.  Sure they "go to the top", and when they believe the top isn't listening to them or isn't doing anything, they go public. Like Dr. Hanna-Attisha did with the Flint Michigan lead problem (http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/21/health/flint-water-mona-hanna-attish/). That's how professional people behave: they don't hero-worship "the top", especially when they believe they have something with the potential to benefit or harm the public. Professional people don't look at a dozen reports of people developing heart failure after taking an antibiotic for 10 days and say "That's BS. There's no evidence to back that up! That's just all observation and anecdotes anyway and that doesn't count! This medication doesn't cause heart failure! The manufacturer says it's impossible! The manufacturer spend millions of dollars on R&D and nothing they had indicated heart failure is a potential side effect! The FDA wouldn't approve a drug unless if was safe and effective! So those reports are fraudulent and the patients are frauds and liars and the doctors reporting it are frauds and liars."  Or worse, "Yeah, we know, but we don't want to panic anyone and the risk isn't that high. So we'll keep our mouths shut for as long as we can. " Professional people don't do that. They maintain skepticism, but they are open to possibilities at the same time. If they don't do this, especially in medical sciences, they'll get burned over and over and over again.

 

Anyhow...okay Mr. Abee Cee sends a vid of his BFs anonymously to youtube, etc. Here's the response to that "Anons are frauds because if they were truthful, they would disclose their name." Back to Square 1 we go.

 

(Shout out to any habituators reading this: keep your mouths shut. I don't agree with what you are doing because I think making an animal dependent on your largess is opening up a big old can of trouble for you. But going public and sharing your experiences will be to your personal detriment.)

Edited March 17, 2016 by ChasingRabbits