Expedition Bigfoot :Travel Channel

[Redbone]

1 hour ago, Arvedis said:

Haven't read all of this thread nor have I watched many episodes of this show. But...I can see why they would stage it to be in  particular area.

 

1. insurance.  It is incredibly expensive to cover your angles when producing a show outdoors that treads all over the place.

2. keep travel costs limited

3. establish a habituation area as best as possible. It is much easier to work in a known area of activity on a regular basis than floating around various places where you could end up with nothing. That is what the doofs at Finding BF did. Maybe they had an inkling of activity at the location and decided their best chances of evidence was at that location.

 

Based on the clips I have seen, it doesn't seem hoaxed.  To hoax is a waste of everyone's time and the folks involved seem smart and legitimately interested in the subject. Also, the channel is not shady. Any network can become swoon by advertising dollars and viewer metrics but in this case,  it doesn't seem to be overhyped or oversold like the doofs at Finding BF.

This show was filled with lies from start to finish. They could have told the truth for all the reasons you listed, and we'd be fine with it, but they went out of their way to deceive. I have no doubt the cast members have sincere interest, but lying will not make them friends in the BF community.

 

This was a silly tv show and not a serious bigfoot investigation.

I forgive Bob Gimlin for his participation. I hope he got a nice paycheck.

 

You should read the whole thread. It's probably more entertaining than the actual show.

[Arvedis]

 

30 minutes ago, Redbone said:

This show was filled with lies from start to finish. They could have told the truth for all the reasons you listed, and we'd be fine with it, but they went out of their way to deceive. I have no doubt the cast members have sincere interest, but lying will not make them friends in the BF community.

 

This was a silly tv show and not a serious bigfoot investigation.

I forgive Bob Gimlin for his participation. I hope he got a nice paycheck.

 

You should read the whole thread. It's probably more entertaining than the actual show.

 

Most long threads on here are entertaining! I guess that is why I keep coming back.  I don't have the patience to dig through all of this one but that is a shame if it this show was just staged scenarios. It could be they designed the show to piggyback off BF popularity. It seems more advantageous to be genuine with your audience. I still find some of the clips interesting.

 

On 11/26/2019 at 2:39 PM, bipedalist said:

Obviously you are not a researcher Arvedis.

 

So true!  I'm a BF book editor. Though, I do BF research, I don't know if that qualifies me to be a BF researcher.

Edited April 18, 2020 by Arvedis

[bipedalist]

On 11/26/2019 at 5:14 PM, hiflier said:

 

Are you forgetting about the beard? It would lend a certain backwoods credibility to your image  

 

And the missing teeth 

[SWWASAS]

Anybody know if the Bigfoot conference the Expedition Bigfoot screen characters were supposed to appear at happened?    Or did it get cancelled because of the COVID-19 thing?     From what I heard they were going to be ambushed at the conference by people who checked into the facts behind the show.      Might be lucky for them if the Conference was cancelled.   Save them a lot of embarrassment.  

[Arvedis]

1 hour ago, SWWASAS said:

Anybody know if the Bigfoot conference the Expedition Bigfoot screen characters were supposed to appear at happened?    Or did it get cancelled because of the COVID-19 thing?     From what I heard they were going to be ambushed at the conference by people who checked into the facts behind the show.      Might be lucky for them if the Conference was cancelled.   Save them a lot of embarrassment.  

 

Dr. Mayor is still listed on the speaker list for https://www.internationalbigfootconference.com in September.  IMO it would not be fair to her or any cast member to disrupt their presentation with protests. The "researchers" are not the producers of the show.  Would anyone give up an opportunity to get paid to be in a BF reality show? It seems more amusing than offensive that some marketing jockey came up with the promotion, "An elite team of Sasquatch specialists journey into the unforgiving Oregon wilderness in search of Bigfoot."

 

Overall, the people involved aren't that interesting but who really is that compelling on the BF conference circuit?  It's the same retreads anyway so what difference would their involvement really have to that industry?

 

 

Edited April 18, 2020 by Arvedis

[Twist]

It’s a worse look for the people wanting to crash their appearance than it is to the shows public figures.   If you watch a for entertainment show and get upset about what is portrayed, that says more about you than the entertainers.   It’s a show to generate revenue using a semi popular subject.

 

I like to ride and build custom motorcycles, I’m not showing up to OCC to harass them because they generate false drama during a bike build.  I either choose to watch it and enjoy or switch the channel.   
 

TV is entertainment, enjoy it or don’t.   Getting mad at the personalities is your own issue.

[Arvedis]

Just did a quick search and according to IMDB, the production company is "Railsplitter Media."  Travel Channel is the distributor. 

 

https://www.railsplitter.tv. 

 

Looks like they are a new-ish company just looking for a way to keep the checks rolling in.  I can't fault them for short circuiting the trust and fragile egos of the Bigfoot community.

Edited April 18, 2020 by Arvedis

[hiflier]

1 hour ago, Arvedis said:

I can't fault them for short circuiting the trust and fragile egos of the Bigfoot community.

 

Not sure getting at the truth behind something has as much to do with fragile egos as with  just wanting to just get at the truth behind something? Call it a reaction from a community that has been hoaxed more than once over the decades. Audiences were led to think the stage had been set in the deep, remote wilds of Oregon, not within a tourist attraction. The sleuthing effort was commendable and as a result the truth of the environment around the researchers was laid bare. It wasn't a bad thing, and it certainly wasn't a product of fragile egos at work. At least I didn't think so....my opinion  

 

So, um, you edit BF books you say? Feel free to download my novel.......and although you may not edit novels, it still may use some looking over?

Edited April 18, 2020 by hiflier

[Airdale]

59 minutes ago, Twist said:

TV is entertainment, enjoy it or don’t.   Getting mad at the personalities is your own issue.

 

Agreed, who knows what the on-screen personalities knew or when they knew it. We have no idea in what sequence the various scenes were actually shot. It would be interesting to know how the concept of the show was presented to Dr. Mayor. She presents as a serious researcher with a solid reputation in her field; it's difficult to believe she would have signed on knowing in advance that the production would amount to little more than an over hyped hoax. I really hope that her reputation isn't damaged in the eyes of her peers (in the unlikely event any of them actually watched the show).

1 hour ago, Arvedis said:

I can't fault them for short circuiting the trust and fragile egos of the Bigfoot community.

 

I don't view this from the perspective of egos or the "Bigfoot community". Trust is another matter entirely, to my eyes the production is no more or less than an elaborate hoax, a web of lies and deception from beginning to end presented to viewers as a serious attempt to explore the subject. The premise of the show, that the timing and locale were chosen based on applying an advanced algorithm to some huge number of sighting reports,  a lie. The locale is a remote wilderness area; this is a lie on it's face as motorized transport is illegal in designated wilderness and twice a lie as the actual locale is a privately owned commercial operation. The graphic used throughout the production, presented as a bird's eye view of the research area, was a fabrication massively misrepresenting both the physical features and scale of the research area. I could continue with the mysterious old wrecked pickup stumbled upon, the cemetary in the middle of the forest, the "deadly cinnabar" mine, all misrepresentations and/or outright lies. So, was there any truth at all in this production? About the only thing I think was at least possibly true was the deer seen in the thermal across the meadow. How much of the rest was hoaxed by the crew, possibly without the knowledge of the cast? I don't like being lied to, regardless of the subject, and I don't trust liars. Plug another subject in place of Bigfoot in the title; Expedition Tasmanian Tiger, Expedition Amelia Earhardt, Expedition (your choice here), a hoax is a hoax, a lie is a lie and lost trust is very difficult to overcome. 

[Arvedis]

This show isn't the first to try and capitalize ratings, attention, and $, on BF popularity. It is the most recent as of right now. How many legit, really good BF media productions are there?  Not many. There are a few worth mentioning. And before anyone says Missing 411, please do your research. If there is anyone who can be accused of milking a living off nothing except vague, non-theories, it is David Paulides.  People give him credit for re-publishing missing persns cases.  It's a sad thing when people go missing but Paulides does not have a stitch of any evidence of anything except his former cop mustache to give him any credibility.

 

edit: also, found out Russell Accord is the organizer of the https://www.internationalbigfootconference.com.  I've seen him speak a few times and he seems sincere. I'm also not seeing any mention of the deceit anywhere else but here and FB. You have to dig pretty deep for it.

Edited April 19, 2020 by Arvedis

[Airdale]

3 hours ago, Arvedis said:

This show isn't the first to try and capitalize ratings, attention, and $, on BF popularity. It is the most recent as of right now. How many legit, really good BF media productions are there?  Not many. There are a few worth mentioning. And before anyone says Missing 411, please do your research. If there is anyone who can be accused of milking a living off nothing except vague, non-theories, it is David Paulides.  People give him credit for re-publishing missing persns cases.  It's a sad thing when people go missing but Paulides does not have a stitch of any evidence of anything except his former cop mustache to give him any credibility.

 

You're making straw man arguments. My issue with Expedition Bigfoot has nothing to do with their P & L statement and everything to do with the consistant misrepresentation and outright hoaxing upon which the production was built. As far as I can tell, you're the only one bringing up Missing 411; if you really want to compare it with other reality TV productions, look no further than Josh Gates' current shows "Expedition Unknown" and "Expedition X" as well as the discontinued "Destination Truth". Those all have great production values, go where they say they will and don't need to insert fake drama to keep viewer's attention because there is real action and drama aplenty. When you've watched Josh and crew following a bi-pedal trackway through knee deep snow on a mountain side in Bhutan at night in a blizzard only to break off because a wolf pack is approaching, the phony maudlin dreck of Expedition Bigfoot isn't even good soap opera.

[Arvedis]

40 minutes ago, Airdale said:

You're making straw man arguments.

 

Everything on a BF forum is a strawman argument.

 

40 minutes ago, Airdale said:

....When you've watched Josh and crew following a bi-pedal trackway through knee deep snow on a mountain side in Bhutan at night in a blizzard only to break off because a wolf pack is approaching, the phony maudlin dreck of Expedition Bigfoot isn't even good soap opera.

 

That sounds like Peter Byrne talking!

[Airdale]

1 minute ago, Arvedis said:

 

Everything on a BF forum is a strawman argument.

 

 

That sounds like Peter Byrne talking!

 

???????

[Huntster]

13 minutes ago, Arvedis said:

Everything on a BF forum is a strawman argument........

 

Not at all. I've seen many different fallacies as well as many truths.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

 

A straw man (or strawman) is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent..........

 

[hiflier]

9 hours ago, Arvedis said:

Everything on a BF forum is a strawman argument.

 

Hmmm. Is my argument that one might have a good chance for Bigfoot provenance in North America by looking for NOTCH2NL gene evidence a strawman argument? Of course, it might be if there is no such thing as a Bigfoot  But then that sets up the experiment for determining that doesn't it? And my opinion from researching the science says that looking for that/those genes in the environment would be the ONLY broad scientific program that could succeed where so many other programs and expeditions have failed.

 

The caveat, however, is going on the premise that the Bigfoot doesn't possess the NOTCH2NL genes that Humans possess. That said do you think such a program would be worth the time and effort it would take to deploy it? I mean, after all, it would only be the most important discovery of the last century and a half. Evidently, though, that discovery isn't important enough to science, and, since no one else is insisting on that kind of an approach, no one else either. So.....Solve For Bigfoot?......meh, who cares.