Guest Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Okay, well an estimate is different than an actual count. So were all these scat piles in one location - or was this an estimate of the piles they seen throughout the day? Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Thepattywagon Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Melissa, I think it's pretty early on in that taped interview that was posted here. Without going back and watching it again, I am going on my feeble memory. I had even questioned whether he said "forty" piles or "four", but assumed the former when he added that they'd been running across them all day. The video of the full interview is in post #2700 of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighunter43 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 If you listen to his interview he said it happened about an hour and a half before dark....he even said it was well before that "magic time" (referring to that last 30 min before dark when things get real active)....so he had plenty of light left....when he responded to my question yesterday, he said they SHOULD have looked harder for the adult but they didnt!! So, at this point it's safe to say we have no idea if the adult survived or not!! Bobby....I wondered about that pic in the pool of blood as well...I assumed it was a photoshopped rendering...but you never know!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Melissa, I think it's pretty early on in that taped interview that was posted here. Without going back and watching it again, I am going on my feeble memory. I had even questioned whether he said "forty" piles or "four", but assumed the former when he added that they'd been running across them all day. The video of the full interview is in post #2700 of this thread. Okay, well there are people saying that the piles of scat were on the road where both animals were shot... I love how information changes. LOL. Do you know what I love about this - at the end of the day? Once the scientists finish their work - the number of scat samples on the road or that they counted through the day wont matter at all. Whether they were drinking - won't matter one bit. We will either know Justin shot a Bigfoot, he did not, or the samples are contaminated. That is the evidence I like. Personally (and I know I will catch heck for this) I think Justin should stop talking publicly. He obviously thought he could explain some of this and give people the information they wanted to make a decision - but all he has gotten is grief, speculation and gossip (for the most part). If he didn't have PTSD during the "shooting" situation - he probably does now. But, he is a big boy and can make his own decisions. But, if people are going to misrepresent the estimated number piles of "poo" - what is the point in him answering any other question... I mean seriously. LOL. Justin, let the science do the talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighunter43 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I dont see how anyone can "misrepresent" the piles of "poo".......all you have to do is watch the video.....he said about 40!!! Personally...I don't give a "poo" about the "poo"...,,,,and find it irrelevant....except for the fact that it seems an awful high #....but I wasn't there....Im pretty sure he was just saying it was ALOT!! There's much deeper issues!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I am willing to bet there is much that happened that Justin doesn't even remember. Speaking of betting, I'd bet that this claim of a shooting ends up dead in the water and that we'll be no further ahead when it's all over. I think we're be lead down that good old garden path. t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 (edited) You might be right Terry. I have no idea. But how many times have we heard of these stories with nothing factual to back it up. I was actually surprised there was something worth scientific evaluation. So far Justin has cooperated. He has told his story, taken people to the site, turned over the biological evidence for scientific evaluation and has continued to cooperate. I'm not sure what else he needs to do to show he is trying to cooperate with a community - he could tell to shove off. He doesn't owe any of us a dang thing. He could have kept his mouth shut from day one - and waited for the science to be completed. I mean seriously. How much of the "leading down the garden path" is Justin's doing - and we are doing to ourselves? I dont see how anyone can "misrepresent" the piles of "poo".......all you have to do is watch the video.....he said about 40!!! Personally...I don't give a "poo" about the "poo"...,,,,and find it irrelevant....except for the fact that it seems an awful high #....but I wasn't there....Im pretty sure he was just saying it was ALOT!! There's much deeper issues!! I completely agree - but if people in this community are willing to misrepresent information as minor as poop - what does that say about the community? Who is the problem? Justin or those who are spreading misinformation for whatever reason they deem necessary? That is my point. Edited July 19, 2012 by Melissa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incorrigible1 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 . Putting myself in JS's shoes at that moment, with it getting dark, in steep terrain with cover all around them, that would be enough to tighten my sphincter for days. Not sure if the sizeable scat piles entered their mind at the time, but I would have to imagine that might have played a part. With that many piles it could be reasonable to conclude that they were not alone. I certainly wouldn't want to be there in that situation after dark. Agreed entirely, and yet that flies in the face of the report Driver assisted the search sans rifle. ::scratches head:: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighunter43 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I got you on that one Melissa....people just need to watch and re-watch the video! Incorrigable.....that's one of the questions I've had all along.....I asked Justin that one on here yesterday......I can't imagine getting out unarmed with a pissed off wounded BF running around! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I agree Bighunter43 - but shouldn't we also be willing to call out fellow "researchers" who post misleading or wrong information? Heck I remember a time when citations were demanded whenever we posted something allegedly said by someone. I don't know what Justin shot. I don't know what the outcome of these DNA tests will or will not be. I do know all the speculation in the world is not going to solve the mystery of what he shot or did not shoot. To be completely honest - if I was an interested person, and only reading about this situation (not just here) and I somehow managed to kill one of these animals - I would send in the samples but I would NEVER discuss anything publicly - until the results of the tests come back. Why? There is no benefit to discussing the situation. Heck, even as a field researcher I can't find any benefit in discussing the work I do in the field with the larger community. There is little advice and discussion but lots of opportunity to drag one through the mud. Just my 2 cents - and I find that incredibly sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowBorn Posted July 19, 2012 Moderator Share Posted July 19, 2012 " I completely agree - but if people in this community are willing to misrepresent information as minor as poop - what does that say about the community? Who is the problem? Justin or those who are spreading misinformation for whatever reason they deem necessary? That is my point. " This is how it will always be when some one reports something out of the norm. Information will always be misinterpreted and people will read into things way to much. Fair ,no not at all but that's how it is . One side of me is in complete agreement with Justin on what he did. It needed to be done and gotten over with and if it was not him it would have been some one else. No knows what it feels like when you see them but they do change you. In one way you did a good thing Justin , things change and soon your life will too. Keep things right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Julio said: This is how it will always be when some one reports something out of the norm. Information will always be misinterpreted and people will read into things way to much. Fair ,no not at all but that's how it is . You're right, but as a community do we make it okay when we know this happens and we do or say nothing? Is it the fault of the misinformation people trying to realize their own agenda (whatever that is) or are we all as much to blame - when we know it's happening and we do nothing to stop it - until called on it.... I guess that is a question each one of has to answer on our own. I know what my answer is and it breaks my heart to be so disillusioned with a community I had so much faith in at one time. Sorry, but it's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peter Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Well if this is the case, then the Lindsay artwork posted up of the little one (allegedly from a sketch or description for the book by General's illustrator), looks a little more chimp/gorilla like than human-like to me. I don't know about the sources for the sketches but if his story is accurate Justin had no qualms about shooting something that could have been human looking then he shoots an ugly animal thing for proof then leaves the proof behind because he's afraid of legal action? even in the stress of the moment his actions are not rational. They easily could have picked up the little dead one and been gone quicker than it took to hide the body, something doesn’t fit here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Would YOU want to be caught by the daddy with his dead child slung over your shoulder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I noticed a couple of things from Bobo's interview that were new--to me, anyway. According to Bobo: The driver's name--Jack. He said they had just seen a warden. It happened October 30. Joe Rogan didn't know where the Sierra Nevadas are. And some other stuff, don't want to to ruin it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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