Bigfoot and Infrared

[hiflier]

Then let's get out there and cast as many footprints as we can before they're gone. And if anyone thinks I'm being serious then they don't know me. A lot of you probably wish you didn't anyway. I have been a thorn in this Forums side for  long time...and for good reason. Don't bother replying. It isn't worth it.

[hiflier]

On 7/12/2021 at 4:13 PM, NorthWind said:

It seems many people are set that these creatures are apes of some kind. I am not necessarily of that belief, and am open to the idea that they may be more human than we realize.  Until more evidence comes in, who knows?

 

What about last Saturday? That is not an ape's foot even though it may have been made by a slightly more advanced ape brain? Ape meaning the more traditional concept of ape.

[Explorer]

There is no evidence that BF populations are declining, growing, or staying flat.

 

There is just no good evidence or data for anything on BF population trends.

 

Number of reports coming into BFRO (or any other organization) is not evidence of population density trends because:

• BFRO does not have a monopoly on reporting platforms.
• People might not be reporting via websites (as they used to in the past) because of the advent of alternative social media outlets (Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, etc.).
• People might not be reporting at all because of socials trends that lead to mistrust of big research organizations.
• BF encounter reports depends on two variables (human presence and BF presence) and is not a clear indicator of BF population density.  You can have an area with high density of BFs and with few human travelers and get the same number of reports than an area with low BF density but with lots of human visitors.  The reported numbers can be normalized and adjusted to get better information but they are still not a statistically sound source of data for population studies because the sources are dependent on the researchers, social media, and beliefs (that change over time).

The best objective measurement of population density trends would be a camera trap program in a fixed area over a number of years.  That is how the research is done for many big mammals.  But, as the original post suggested, we can’t apply standard wildlife monitoring practices (using game camera traps) to do BF research because it does not work for unknown reasons.

 

Others, like the Bluff Creek Camera Project, who have been monitoring a supposedly hot spot area for over 7 years with over 40 camera traps have detected nothing.  Maybe they can conclude (with a certain % of probability but with no certainty) that there is no BF present in that area anymore (assuming that BF would behave like other wildlife).  However, there is always that alternative belief (with non-zero probability) that BFs could be present but have special abilities that help them avoid the cameras.

 

With camera traps, absence of detection does not imply lack of presence. But over time, continued lack of detection should suggest that the odds of presence are diminishingly low.

 

[NorthWind]

16 minutes ago, hiflier said:

 

What about last Saturday? That is not an ape's foot even though it may have been made by a slightly more advanced ape brain? Ape meaning the more traditional concept of ape.

I suppose it boils down to your definition of the word "ape". I hate to sound like a former President. I have a hunch these creatures are human of some flavor. 

[Incorrigible1]

30 minutes ago, hiflier said:

Then let's get out there and cast as many footprints as we can before they're gone. And if anyone thinks I'm being serious then they don't know me. A lot of you probably wish you didn't anyway. I have been a thorn in this Forums side for  long time...and for good reason. Don't bother replying. It isn't worth it.

 

As described so well in Blazing Saddles, "that's authentic frontier gibberish."

[norseman]

1 hour ago, hiflier said:

Then let's get out there and cast as many footprints as we can before they're gone. And if anyone thinks I'm being serious then they don't know me. A lot of you probably wish you didn't anyway. I have been a thorn in this Forums side for  long time...and for good reason. Don't bother replying. It isn't worth it.

If I remember correctly? You used to advocate that with environmental concerns time was ticking on this species.

 

What changed your mind?

[Catmandoo]

There is no infrared light at night.

Sasquatch have smelled me 3 days after I left an area.

Plastics outgas  formic acid.

Cameras / electronic equipment make a lot of noise.  Capacitors for flash and switching regulated power supplies are problems. Cameras will have fluctuating AC and DC magnetic fields. Do you find insect cocoons, ants or spiders at the areas of the battery poles? Simple creatures with simple wants. I attract what we call 'daddy long legs' spiders. They love my cameras.

If a camera has a filter to switch from daylight to IR flash, the switching action has a solid noise.

 

I recall the NAWAC study. They have have change coming.

 

Trail camera noise articles have been posted on this forum before. Check the reference to the link below for further reading. The article was published in 2014.

 

"Camera Traps Can Be Heard and Seen by Animals"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4212972

[hiflier]

9 hours ago, norseman said:

If I remember correctly? You used to advocate that with environmental concerns time was ticking on this species.

 

What changed your mind?

 

So much for me being cryptic.

[hiflier]

I had an NV and saw a dog at 40 yds. I kicked on the device's IR illumination and the dog looked right at me. My trail cam has audio with it's video, a deer and it's young one in daylight walked by and on my audio replay I detected a light camera click. The young deer at that point looked right at the camera. I should post the video but I've stopped posting any media here.

 

10 hours ago, Incorrigible1 said:

 

As described so well in Blazing Saddles, "that's authentic frontier gibberish."

 

How interesting, Inc1.

 

 

Edited July 14, 2021 by hiflier

[Explorer]

7 hours ago, Catmandoo said:

Trail camera noise articles have been posted on this forum before. Check the reference to the link below for further reading. The article was published in 2014.

 

"Camera Traps Can Be Heard and Seen by Animals"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4212972

 

 

Excellent paper and study.  Thanks for sharing Catmando!

 

I read the paper and the research study was certainly more robust and scientific than what NAWAC did, and it confirms that these cameras emit noises.

 

What is still a mystery is why (despite these cameras emitting noises, smells, infrared signals, etc.) camera trap monitoring programs do a great job in determining presence of cougars, grizzly bears, wolves, and many other mammals but not BF.

 

[Twist]

Not to sound like a broken record but I always come back to BF’s willingness to enter a campsite which have human devices in them.  While we do not have definitive proof on BF anatomy but I do t think it’s a stretch to guess that BF hearing and smell should be “similar” to our own if their ears and noses are constructed like ours.   They could be superior but to the point of super hearing and smell?? IDK.

 

What about trail cameras set up near loud running water?   

[BlackRockBigfoot]

So far, what are our possible explanations as to how they can sense and avoid ir cams:

 

1) They can see the ir illumination.  However, apes (and mammals in general) cannot see in the ir range due to their body heat.

 

2) They can smell either the cameras or batteries.  Primates, however, have a less developed sense of smell as a trade off to heightened Visio and sense of touch.

 

3) They can hear the camera itself.  However again, primates hear in the same range as humans…maybe slightly higher on some cases.

 

4) They are so in tune with their immediate environment that they can instantly recognize something out of the ordinary and instinctively avoid it.  This seems to run  counter to the claims that these creatures are exceedingly inquisitive and curious.  They can’t resist checking out humans at a campfire, but know to avoid the small box on a tree?  That curiosity would eventually result in one with exceptionally poor decision making skills being captured peeking at the strange new box on a tree…

 

5) They can sense the emf emissions from the camera.  There has been some discussion over whether deer can sense the electromagnetism given off by hunters.  I am looking to see if any claims of this emf detection has been documented in monkeys or other primates, but haven’t seen anything so far.  

Camera traps are kind of in the same category as road crossings for me.  These things need to maintain a 100% success rate…year after year.  It seems impossible, but they do.  This doesn’t sound like an ape to me.  But, if it is closer to man with man’s intelligence… then where is the tool use?  The fire use?  There isn’t one ‘rebel’ that makes an attempt to break the taboo and communicate with the hairless ones?  
 

At this point you are talking about a creature that has a wide array of super senses (far beyond what any other creature on earth possesses), intelligence somewhat equal to a man but without man’s tool use, and an almost hive mind that allows these intelligent beings to remain in complete lockstep 100% of the time concerning their interaction with humans.  Couple this with the physical gifts that they possess...strength, speed, agility, stealth.  And now throw in the proposed ability to use emf in ways that the rest of animal kingdom lacks…

 

We are dealing with something so far outside of what the rest of the animal kingdom is capable of, that it’s a surprise that these things didn’t just predate early man into extinction.  

 

We are missing something major here.  None of this makes sense.  

Edited July 14, 2021 by BlackRockBigfoot

[Twist]

It certainly does not.  By anecdotal evidence we are dealing with a super-specious or mass delusions across the N.American continent!   

[BlackRockBigfoot]

12 minutes ago, Twist said:

It certainly does not.  By anecdotal evidence we are dealing with a super-specious or mass delusions across the N.American continent!   

Along with a mass hoaxing of prints and video/audio evidence…a good percentage of which is probably never even found due to remote locations, but the hoaxers continue on.  
 

The thing about people going out and hoaxing prints or other evidence…that’s a sign of a pretty immature mind.  What else are immature minds attracted to?  Social media.  Where are the TikTok videos and Instagram posts of people hiking miles into unforgiving territory to make a few prints that may never even be discovered?  
 

I know that hoaxing occurs, but it can only explain a fraction of what has been discovered.

[Twist]

Do not disagree, nor do I believe hoaxing or mass delusions is the answer for Bigfoot.   Until BF is on a slab and properly vetted it has to remain an option IMO.   I’ve had what would be a BF experience but not direct sighting so I have to leave the option on the table for now.