Is The Skookum Cast Still Considered To Be A Potential Bigfoot Lay?

[Rockape]

 

 

Giganto was thought to have a mostly vegetarian diet http://www.pnas.org/content/87/20/8120.short

Bigfoot is reported to actively kill and consume deer and elk. The esteemed Johnny dagger has a paper out on the bones of bigfoots meals. The teeth would be different.

Fossil chimp teeth doesn't equal human teeth.

OK, so you believe BF is a carnivore? An omnivore that has a predominantly carnivorous diet?

I believe bigfoot could not be entirely vegetarian. The caloric requirements would not permit such a large mammal the luxury of hiding from humans at all costs. We would see them grazing more regularly. Bigfoot is not hanging out munching on bamboo and other plants as giganto is thought to have. Teeth are gonna be different unless the scientists who have studied the fossils and/or bigfoot reports are mistaken. So little is known if giganto would bigfoot be a direct evolutionary descendent or an offshoot of a more archaic form shared by both giganto and bigfoot.

 

Agreed, it would no doubt be omnivorous, an "opportunist" if you will.

 

We're way off topic here though, so we'll end it on an agreement.

[Guest]

Bamboo mostly to be exact........

No we do not have Bigfoot teeth, meaning we dont have any thing to attribute to a giant hairy ape or archiac homonid in north America at this time.

But considering we did not have a single chimpanzee fossil until 2005, and the Mountain Gorilla was not discivered until about 100 years ago?

I think we can afford to give some more time.

Ribs hurt like a banshee, but cryptid hunting has its risks.......thanks for asking Bohdi

 Wouldn't it be likely if the teeth were adapted to a different diet, say an omnivore, they would look different than Gigantopithecus? Considering no one is out there looking for teeth we might be missing something in our searches.  Or we might be seeing something that we are attributing to other animals, a mis-identification of sorts.  Leaving solid evidence on the ground that might establish  the species. 

[hiflier]

Hello Norseman,
 

 

Hello Norseman,Does that rule out the Meganthropus tooth found in Santa Cruz, CA? A curious artifact to be found in North America.

As they say in Missouri? Show me!

 

I really could use some help running this to ground:

https://www.sasquatchchronicles.com/watch-the-mysterious-sasquatch-island/

"Michael Rugg, of the Bigfoot Discovery Museum, presented a comparison between human, Gigantopithecus and Meganthropus skulls (reconstructions made by Grover Krantz) in episodes 131 and 132 of the Bigfoot Discovery Museum Show. He favorably compares a modern tooth suspected of coming from a Bigfoot to the Meganthropus fossil teeth, noting the worn enamel on the occlusal surface. The Meganthropus fossils originated from Asia, and the tooth was found near Santa Cruz, California."

[Guest DWA]

Regarding the original question?

 

I will give you the final, definitive answer:  anything being debated AS evidence by definition IS evidence.   Engaging in the discussion of an item of evidence 's validity is tacit acknowledgement that valid or not, it IS evidence.

 

The end. 

 

MIB

I am really not sure to say about the learning capacity of anyone who does not understand, by now, that the existence of the BFF is tacit acknowledgment of a LOT of evidence for sasquatch.  This isn't an argument...you are being lectured to now.

(And if you are here with NO evidence for sasquatch...that says much more about you than anything I could make up.)

Edited August 12, 2015 by DWA

[Guest]

Swindler didnt identify the third girl ted bundy did. Swindler noticed there were three different femurs and vertebrae a feat that could be accomplished with a ruler and calipers. The two girls were identified by teeth and dental records. Whats that word TEETH.

Swindler was a good scientist and an expert in teeth. That was his specialty not animal imprints and not limbs or  Saying a specialist examined the skookum cast isn't exactly correct. He was a specialist but the skookum cast had nothing to do with his speciality. If you have heart disease and go to a podiatrist sure the podiatrist is a specialist but not the kind you would want to treat your hea

 

 

 I didn't say Swindler 'identified' the third victim at the Issaquah dump site. I said he 'established' that there was a third victim dumped there when the police assumed it was just the two (Janice Ott and Denise Naslund) from Lake Sammamish. Daris Swindler examined all the remains found there at the site and concluded there were three victims not two, which was a surprise to the police. The skull of the third poor victim was never found. The third poor victim, confirmed by Bundy's confession, was Georgann Hawkins.

 

Nice of you to go a Google search on this case that you previously knew nothing about yesterday though. Well done.

 

 

Swindler was a good scientist and an expert in teeth. That was his speciality not animal imprints and not limbs or heels

 

 

Wrong. He was a specialist in teeth but he had overall expertise in anatomy, with credentials and a track record to back him up, including valuable police work in some of the country's most important crime cases ever. He didn't need teeth to conclude there were three victims there not two. If he sees signs of a large primate in a cast then it's worth listening to. I'll take him over a geologist who wasted his time messing around on forums arguing against bigfoot, posing under a silly pseudonym thanks. Hardly a good advertisement for a professional.

 

Anyway, good that you are now calling Swindler a good scientist. An improvement on the geriatric oldie who might have dementia, that you were alluding to earlier.

[CMBigfoot]

Is the Skookum Cast still considered to be a potential Bigfoot lay?

 

No. Not by me, because...

 

1) No bigfoot tracks were found going to or from the mudhole.

 

2) No hair was found in the impression from a hair covered bigfoot.

 

3) No eyeglow was reported from any of the BFRO team members at the mudhole.

 

4) No infrasound zapping/blasting was reported from any of the BFRO team members at the mudhole.

 

5) No mindspeak/telepathic communication was reported from any of the BFRO team members at the mudhole. I would think if a bigfoot communicated telepathically with one of the BFRO team members it would of asked for the fruit to not be placed in the mudhole and possibly that it prefers red delicious over golden delicious apples.

[Guest DWA]

Wrong. He was a specialist in teeth but he had overall expertise in anatomy, with credentials and a track record to back him up, including valuable police work in some of the country's most important crime cases ever. He didn't need teeth to conclude there were three victims there not two. If he sees signs of a large primate in a cast then it's worth listening to. I'll take him over a geologist who wasted his time messing around on forums arguing against bigfoot, posing under a silly pseudonym thanks. Hardly a good advertisement for a professional.

 

Anyway, good that you are now calling Swindler a good scientist. An improvement on the geriatric oldie who might have dementia, that you were alluding to earlier.

From Wikipedia:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daris_Swindler

 

"Swindler was generally acknowledged as a leading primate expert, having specialized in the study of fossilized teeth; his book An Atlas of Primate Gross Anatomy (emphasis supplied for those apparently needing that) is a standard work in the field."

 

YEAH, sounds like a total tooth guy to me.  You couldn't make this stuff up.  Come on, guys.  Don't *advertise* it, knowhatimean?

Edited August 12, 2015 by DWA

[Bodhi]

 

Wrong. He was a specialist in teeth but he had overall expertise in anatomy, with credentials and a track record to back him up, including valuable police work in some of the country's most important crime cases ever. He didn't need teeth to conclude there were three victims there not two. If he sees signs of a large primate in a cast then it's worth listening to. I'll take him over a geologist who wasted his time messing around on forums arguing against bigfoot, posing under a silly pseudonym thanks. Hardly a good advertisement for a professional.

 

Anyway, good that you are now calling Swindler a good scientist. An improvement on the geriatric oldie who might have dementia, that you were alluding to earlier.

From Wikipedia:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daris_Swindler

 

"Swindler was generally acknowledged as a leading primate expert, having specialized in the study of fossilized teeth; his book An Atlas of Primate Gross Anatomy (emphasis supplied for those apparently needing that) is a standard work in the field."

 

YEAH, sounds like a total tooth guy to me.  You couldn't make this stuff up.  Come on, guys.  Don't *advertise* it, knowhatimean?

My but the ignore feature is a wonder of modern technology.

[SWWASAS]

Is the Skookum Cast still considered to be a potential Bigfoot lay?

 

No. Not by me, because...

 

1) No bigfoot tracks were found going to or from the mudhole.

 

2) No hair was found in the impression from a hair covered bigfoot.

 

3) No eyeglow was reported from any of the BFRO team members at the mudhole.

 

4) No infrasound zapping/blasting was reported from any of the BFRO team members at the mudhole.

 

5) No mindspeak/telepathic communication was reported from any of the BFRO team members at the mudhole. I would think if a bigfoot communicated telepathically with one of the BFRO team members it would of asked for the fruit to not be placed in the mudhole and possibly that it prefers red delicious over golden delicious apples.

You really want anyone to take you seriously about anything with a snarky post like that?

Hello Norseman,

Does that rule out the Meganthropus tooth found in Santa Cruz, CA? A curious artifact to be found in North America.

There is considerable evidence that the Chinese visited North America in pre-Columbian times. They seem to have built a wall on Catalina Island with other artifacts found underneath and nearby. The Chinese even in modern times revere ancient teeth as part of their medicine. So a Chinese explorer dropping an ancient tooth out of a medicine bag in Santa Cruz would not be unexplainable.

[Guest DWA]

Is the Skookum Cast still considered to be a potential Bigfoot lay?

 

No. Not by me, because...

 

1) No bigfoot tracks were found going to or from the mudhole.

 

Explained.  But reading and thinking required.

 

2) No hair was found in the impression from a hair covered bigfoot.

 

Irrelevant; explained.  But reading and etc.

 

3) No eyeglow was reported from any of the BFRO team members at the mudhole.

 

Um...there was nothing *in the impression* making coy flirtatious eyeglow at them, could be the problem.

 

4) No infrasound zapping/blasting was reported from any of the BFRO team members at the mudhole.

 

And again the apparent inability to separate what some people think from what other people think, and core evidence from fringe claptrap (although man could read up on the infrasound thing a wee bit).

 

5) No mindspeak/telepathic communication was reported from any of the BFRO team members at the mudhole. I would think if a bigfoot communicated telepathically with one of the BFRO team members it would of asked for the fruit to not be placed in the mudhole and possibly that it prefers red delicious over golden delicious apples.

 

And again the apparent inability etc.  ...combined with what one would expect from people who don't really pay the appropriate attention to how much work *qualified* people have done on this.

Um...You really want anyone to take you seriously about anything with a snarky post like that? 

[hiflier]

Hello DWA,

 

Could really use your help running down the truth about the Megantropus tooth found in Santa Cruz, CA.?

[CMBigfoot]

Um...You really want anyone to take you seriously about anything with a snarky post like that? 

 

 

 

 

snarky post?

 

We're on the Bigfoot Forums. It doesn't bother me if people here don't take me seriously and I'm okay with that.

[Guest Crowlogic]

The Skookum Cast is the physically heaviest and most obvious of bigfootism self deception in the history of the genre.  Let's see we have elks that lay in mud as a known behavior, we have elk prints present at the site, we have evidence of other animals present in the region and immedate surroundings.  What we don't have (and this is a big one folks) we don't have bigfoot prints we don't have bigfoot hair, we don't have a history of bigfoot acquiring that posture in order to feed.  Then we have litany of maybe bigfoot was doing AB &C for XY&Z reasons.  Lastly the casting party didn't even cast the entire thing.  Yeah it's a bigfoot throwing the stupid humans a curve ball or rather apple as he did arrive to have a bit of fruit ..................

[SWWASAS]

I would guess fully half of the proponents here believe the Skookum cast to be an elk.   It is hardly self deception.      I don't think there is enough evidence there to determine what it was.    It makes no difference to the question of existence because it is just another indeterminate piece of evidence.    At least most proponents have the integrity to examine evidence and make their own judgment even if it does not support the case for existence.    I don't see that among the denialists.  

[Faenor]

Was a good scientist but he retired in 91. Who knows what was left of his brain and cognitive abilities when he viewed the skookum cast. Any one with a phd in field relevent to anatomy is an expert in anatomy. Swindler specialized in teeth. Look up his publications on google scholar most have to do with teeth. He was a tooth guy.