The Echo Incident

[georgerm]

Some people who hear it hear words, some don't. The first time I heard it, I picked up the same thing you did and asked the same questions. It wasn't anyone in our group, though. Also, remember that the awake members of the team did not hear the gibberish portion of the recording when it happened. They only heard the moan/growl.

We have images of the cameras being messed with from behind (which is interesting) and images of bears eating a few or just generally checking them out, but I haven't heard that we have images of cameras being messed with by people. People have a hard time seeing them. Even when we know we're right on top of a camera thanks to GPS, it can take 10 or 15 minutes to find the thing in a relatively small area.

BF must be able to pick out game cams right off the bat since the cams definately look human made. BF must be too aware and perceptive when human made things are in the woods. Once they see one they may tell their clan about it and then they are on the look out for them. They may even mark the areas with stick features or some other marking.

What about taking a hot glue gun and gluing sticks and leaves onto the trail camera so it is invisible? This inclues camoflauging the strap too so no man made features are seen. Then rub the camera down with herbs that grow in the area? Then place the cam high up in a tree and point it down to get it out of BFs line of sight.

Then across from the game cam, leave a toy as a distraction and something to focus the camera on.

If they get onto this system of hiding cams, then the whole area will be shot for getting pictures.

Fake decoy cameras that stand out may throw them off the hidden cameras.

If this works, then show us the pictures first...........deal?

Edited November 4, 2011 by georgerm

[Guest Jodie]

I don't know how this is going to work, but I was thinking of doing something similar with the cameras I'm putting up except that I live on the outskirts of suburbia in a green belt. I was going to try to incorporate my cameras into outside Christmas decorations, something that would look natural for the area, yet have that non-threatening artificial look at the same time. I don't know about these bigfoot, maybe they have seen Christmas decorations before? You might try putting them out by the cabins just to see what happens. I can see bigfoot popping one of those tacky giant inflatable snowmen, but at least the fan noise would cover the sound of the camera and the decorations would already smell like plastic.

[Guest]

How about Taking the Camera set-up out of its Rectangular Box, and re-containing it into a metal cone which is camouflaged to look something like a natural Tree Knot

Deep shadowed creases could be used to hide the lens to some extent, plus if linked to a flash unit the flash could be hidden in further knots so that the configuration of Lens and flash is not recognised immediately

Hopefully this would disguise both the scent of the casing and break up the straight lines and perfect circles that as humans we love so much.

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Edited November 4, 2011 by Krisop

[southernyahoo]

#1 :25 seconds sounds like a expletive that starts w/ "F"

#2 :33-34 seconds sounds like a very fast saying of "get the "F" away"

Some people who hear it hear words, some don't. The first time I heard it, I picked up the same thing you did and asked the same questions. It wasn't anyone in our group, though. Also, remember that the awake members of the team did not hear the gibberish portion of the recording when it happened. They only heard the moan/growl.

Bipto, I hear words, I've captured the sound clip and done some work on it. Here's a heavily worked version of it, There is an utterance that is repeated. The first sounds like the words "you..... back" and the second sounds like " you.........back away". It takes head phones, but sounds like a gutteral voice speaking english.

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[bipedalist]

Thanks Sy, I hear "get buck" or get f. (profane); then it does sound like you back away or u bak uhway depending on dialect of the listener

How does this fit with your vowel study theories SY?

[Guest]

Bipto, I hear words, I've captured the sound clip and done some work on it. Here's a heavily worked version of it, There is an utterance that is repeated. The first sounds like the words "you..... back" and the second sounds like " you.........back away". It takes head phones, but sounds like a gutteral voice speaking english.

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I heard that as well SY, and even mentioned it in Chat the night it was posted, I had assumed that it was possibly coming from inside the cabin, since Bipto stated that sounds from the cabin could be heard... the first time I heard it a immediately thought someone in the cabin was saying "Get the F back away"

[southernyahoo]

Thanks Sy, I hear "get buck" or get f. (profane); then it does sound like you back away or u bak uhway depending on dialect of the listener

How does this fit with your vowel study theories SY?

Well , it fits pretty well with humans, not so well with wood apes. Not surprised at all though , when I consider some of my own recordings in association with an area that produces knocks, sightings , whoop vocals, barefooted tracks and recorded foot steps with coughing.

[bipedalist]

This post adds some background:

Wonder how far the recorders were away from the cabins?

[southernyahoo]

It couldn't have been too far from the cabin they were staying in because the sounds were also heard by one of the team members as the rest slept.

[Guest]

We know it's not words spoken from the cabin for two reasons. First, nobody in the cabin said anything like that. They wanted the wood apes to come *closer*, not get further away. Second, there are recordings of what our team members sounded like when speaking from the cabin. The recorder was close enough to pick that up (the mic is a really, really good one), and our guys sound nothing like what was recorded. They sound a lot closer than what I posted here and very clear.

I know it sounds like words. I also know it's not words that were said by our guys. I guarantee it.

That being said, I, personally, don't think it's language. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I haven't been convinced it could be so. I think it's more likely an example of their mimic talent. Our guys had been "taunting" them earlier in the night. Calling out to them, asking them why they're so shy, that kind of thing (and yeah, perhaps there was an expletive or two laced in there). We didn't think they understood, but they were trying all kinds of things and the rocks and knocks and other related activity they heard made it clear to our guys that the apes were out there. We knew they were there and they knew we knew they were there. By the time this was recorded, our guys had quieted down a bit (like I said earlier, two of them were asleep). Who knows. Maybe it was an attempt to get our guys to start talking again.

It's striking to me that not only do the sounds resemble Sierra Sounds, but on that recording you also hear them calling out to animals that are purportedly recorded. They called out, we called out. They got sounds, we got similar sounds. Makes you think.

Wonder how far the recorders were away from the cabins?

I believe it was about 30 feet away. The recorder was in a Pelican case on top of an old freezer and the mic was strung up over the recorder (in some branches or vines, I think).

Edited November 4, 2011 by bipto

[Guest]

Thanks for clearing that up Bipto, I had actually thought that perhaps one of the team members had been telling another to "get back", but now I am tracking.

If indeed the Sasquatch were attempting to illicit responses from the team that would be incredible! Talk about role reversal lol. Very exciting possibilities.

[Guest]

I think we all know but I don't know if anyone said it--If BF are primates and are closely related to us, they could sound like us too. Their voices sound a lot like ours. They can say words. Some sightings report them talking. I recall one in which a hunter up in a tree stand saw one, then saw a bigger one approach it and seem to scold it. A conversation was heard. Many report them mimicking human speech.

So it could sound like people talking, eh? And it sounds phonically like Germanic language, to me, not like Latin language. Closer to Slavic or Asian than Latin, but a lot Germanic. so maybe it could easily sound to us like English words. That's a theory, anyway.

Edited November 4, 2011 by Kings Canyon

[Guest]

I was going to ask if the team members used the F word a lot and maybe they got the word from that. Thanks Bipto for answering my question before I asked it. It's amazing how much it sounds like get the F away. I heard it the first time I listened to the recording of your show and it is even more clear now with the version that SY posted.

I'm listening to it with some good headphones and I think everyone should have some good headphones to listen to recordings like this. It's like night and day compared to speakers. That really is a cool recording. Thanks.

On a side note Bipto, who are the other 2 guys in your show? I'm very new to the bigfoot world and I'm still trying to learn who a lot of people are. You guys all have a similar sense of humor and it makes for a good show.

[Guest]

I was going to ask if the team members used the F word a lot and maybe they got the word from that.

I wouldn't say they use it *a lot*. I feel like I swear more than most of the guys do.

On a side note Bipto, who are the other 2 guys in your show? I'm very new to the bigfoot world and I'm still trying to learn who a lot of people are. You guys all have a similar sense of humor and it makes for a good show.

Scott Herriott is a documentary filmmaker who's made two bigfoot-related films now available in convenient single-disc format. He had an encounter with what he believed was a pair of sasquatch near the mouth of the Klamath River about 63 years ago. Or 1992.

Paul Vella lives in England (but was born in Ireland) and, against all odds, has had a long time interest in the subject of cryptozoology. He is a former administrator of these very forums and is the most responsible for their continued existence.

[georgerm]

Bipto can you look at my post 332 about hiding cams, and this one for a comment?

How about Taking the Camera set-up out of its Rectangular Box, and re-containing it into a metal cone which is camouflaged to look something like a natural Tree Knot

Deep shadowed creases could be used to hide the lens to some extent, plus if linked to a flash unit the flash could be hidden in further knots so that the configuration of Lens and flash is not recognised immediately

Hopefully this would disguise both the scent of the casing and break up the straight lines and perfect circles that as humans we love so much.

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This kind of creative thinking is needed to to get under BF's perceptive radar. BF does not have supernatural abilities IMO to detect cameras, but any unnatural materials or smells are picked up by BF.

The burrel idea will take some more thought. Then local plants such as weed herbs with a strong odor can me rubbed on the fabric.

I plan to consult my son-in-law about this since he is our county sherriff who in charge of illegal pot plantations. They use lots trail cams that could pick up BFs or pot growers if well hidden.

I now see a whole thread devoted to this topic.

Edited November 4, 2011 by georgerm