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Took a trip through the woods in my Jeep from Idaho over into Washington via Skyline Drive. Beautiful country and just a 15-mile drive from my house. A bit of rain recently, so always looking for tracks. Actually bought two tubs of plaster of Paris for making casts. I've come across a couple of possible tracks in years past, but never was prepared. Now I am. Also added a fun decal to the side of my ambulance RV. And I started the conversion of my utility trailer to an "overlanding" trailer to tow behind my Jeep. It will haul an ATV along with my camping gear while providing a platform for an inflatable tent. I installed fold-up kitchen platform, fuel can, and will be adding a solar shower, water storage, gear storage box, RV lithium battery, solar panel, and inverter. It should let me go camping deep into the woods where the ambulance and Ram 2500 can't go.

For a long time, my best places to go involved a secluded pond. Wood knocks, audible movement around the pond, and red eyeshine. They work for me because people are less likely to be there especially when it is not easy to get to. I've decided to get an ultralight canoe, or more properly called a packboat. Short and light enough to be portaged. Get out on the water in the dark and silently paddle then stop, drift, and listen. Use the thermal to scan the shoreline. It enables you to get to spots on the pond quickly that would not be possible if trekked by foot. Moreover, the flashlight and noise while walking would immediately give away your position. I'll order in the next month or so but won't get it until next year. Looking forward to it.

Up by Priest lake on a tight jeep trail for part of it. Bald Mountain area. Saw deer and rubs and a owl. Tamarack is all turning yellow.

We lack photographs. We have pictures of her son. Based on those I think we have purposefully re-imagined what Zana looked like from the descriptions to fit an agenda rather than to fit truth.

NVM

So I was thinking, why does it wonder off through the muck barefoot, get to fresh water, and then come back to drier land. Two different times, same behavior, different side of the lake. Of course, to get a drink of water. I have tracked them for over 20 years in this region though tree breaks but never foot prints because of the floor vegetation. Pretty cool. Anyway, have not posted in a while, hope you found the time spent putting it together for you worthwhile.

It qualifies for 'hard side camping'. And you can watch TV. A red ambulance RV must have massive room. Does your inverter allow you to operate a microwave oven? "Parking heaters" are available for diesel powered vehicles and boats. I know of 2 brands common on boats and vehicles: Espar and Webasto. Both are over $1k and permanently installed. There is a member of this forum that has a parking heater on his diesel Land Rover. Very toasty warm. Another way is the portable unit placed on the ground with gravity feed of diesel from an elevated fuel jug. Winter is here, no need to subject your dog to a cold ambulance. Norseman might have some input in the way of dealing with his big rigs.

It’s entirely possible. I know they have 86’d Viking settlement archeological sites in Canada…… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanfield_Valley https://artsfile.ca/ottawa-archaeologist-says-her-research-on-vikings-in-canada-being-disparaged/

Spent the night deep in the Idaho woods last night about 50 miles from home. This is where I found my first possible BF sign; a tree twisted and broke over 8' above the ground. This was about 10 years ago. Today... I forgot how creepy this spot is with virtually no animal activity or sound. I had a horrible time getting a fire started and ended up having to use an old Indian trick by wrapping a paper towel around a stick and dipping it into the fuel tank of my ambulance, lol. Temperature was around freezing when I went inside to watch TV. Had some odd things happen. First was hearing something hit the side of my ambulance from the direction of the twisted tree. Very light. Maybe a pine cone? No trees that it could have fallen from and nothing on the ground. Wet and soggy ground and dusty side of the ambulance. No tracks, no scuff marks, nothing. An hour later, heard what I thought was thunder outside. Looked outside and clear sky with nothing but stars. About another hour later and my dog began growling for no apparent reason. Got the shotgun with slugs out and opened the door to scan with the weapon light. Arlo declined to go outside, so I stayed in as well. No other incidents. Woke up a few hours later and it was very cold outside and inside! Packed up camp the next morning and scouted for elk for my brother on the way back to civilization. Beautiful day and saw a lot of country, but no BF sign. I walked this moist dirt road for about two miles and found hundreds of fresh deer and elk tracks, but no BF tracks.

When I worked for the Forest Service back in 1974 and 1975, I had no concept of what the agency's stance was on bigfoot. While on the job, if I had a sighting, I would have reported it to my boss who was higher up in the district office of the Rogue River National Forest of Medford, Oregon. He probably would have told me to not report it to the wildlife officer since this would put my job in jeopardy. My annual job performance review was coming so I would not have reported it to those higher up in the chain of command. Since my annual review was coming up, and if I reported the sighting to the wildlife officer, I probably would have been fired for disobeying my immediate boss. I would guess the Forest Service has not changed their stance presently, and they call bigfoot a mythical creature for a reason. This means they are not real, so they have no effect on Forest Service policy. Work someplace else if you don't understand the policy.

^ This. ^ Moreover, even within certain agencies (like the Army), few have the odds of encountering these creatures. But some do. I've used the example of Ft. Lewis, Washington. It's right on ground that is surrounded with regular sightings, is actually on ground that looks like a migration/movement area, has plenty of recorded sightings itself, and has been an Army post for over a hundred years. If sasquatches exist, and if that area is as density rich as reports indicate, and with the Army being there for a century, there are people within the Army family who know about it. I was an Army soldier (engineer), and then an Army civilian on Ft. Richardson, Alaska, for 35 years. I worked for the engineering organization that literally owned the post. We signed off buildings and lands to commanding officers of various units, but we were ultimately responsible for them (and we held the tenants responsible for proper use and damages). I was an "outside" engineer. Roads, grounds, railroads, bridges, etc. We had an environmental branch which included a Natural Resources Officer, who was responsible for wildlife. He set the hunting regs on post in cooperation with the state fish and game agency. Ft. Lewis has/had the exact same organizational structure. If sasquatches exists, they exist there at least in movement through the place leaving sign and encounters with soldiers and Range Control. Eventually, the Natural Resources Officer is going to know and share that knowledge with the Public Works Director, who will then share it with the Commanding General's Chief of Staff. Where the knowledge goes from there is certain to vary. But my experience is that's how it looks at the lower, local end. I'm also pretty well versed in what we call "unofficial lines of communication". All of us civilians, unlike both the enlisted and commissioned active duty personnel, worked there for decades. We didn't come for a three year tour, and then rotated out. We owned the place. Literally. And we worked together for decades. We were like brothers and sisters. We still are. And we talk to each other. Some word gets around. Some is hush-hush. Depends on what it is, and who you trust. On Ft. Rich, we talked openly about the wildlife. Those of us in the exterior trades and activities had regular contact with the bears, wolves, and moose. Lots of it. And we shared those experiences with others. If I saw a sasquatch, would I have talked? Yup........to a few folks. Certainly not all.

Based on my reading of hundreds if not 1000+ reports, I am a firm believer that the Federal Government as a whole fully understands BF and for reasons you can only guess feels it is best not to reveal them and even protect them where possible. For instance, what are the legal or even constitutional issues if they are some form of relic hominem? Even worse, what if they have an alien origin (which I do not believe but there are plenty of BF/UFO related reports). I have seen them and ran in to them multiple times over the last 30 years in NC and NJ (and may have a den/hunting blind build by them 100 yards from my back yard) and no longer care to get proof of their existence. I doubt I would reach for my camera or phone if one posed for me. Just leave them alone like they leave me alone when wandering through the woods.

In terms of the impact of the arrival of europeans, you can't diminish the probable damage done by the foreign antigens, which may very well have killed off the the vast majority of sasquatch, at least those within close enough proximity to the natives as they became afflicted. The Europeans practice of laying blankets infected with yellow fever and the like across trails could have transmitted these diseases to the Bigfoot just as they did to the native americans. It may have taken longer to pass between them due to their more widespread distribution. There's estimates of 90% mortality rates amongst natives (even higher in south america) if this applied to the sasquatch, perhaps their rebound was slow, then as whites killed off the majority of upper level predators, and deer populations began expanding, eventually to the point of overabundance, then the sasquatch had plenty of prey, little predator competition, and more empty land to move into, reclaiming old turf, thus expanding their numbers once again.

Although this is a video/documentary, I believe the theories this guy advances go beyond the video itself and are worthy of more discussion. His video lays out an interesting argument for Denisovans being the "wild men" of history and of our more modern-day Sasquatch sightings. Some of the information in this video has been talked about here before, but he does an excellent job of tying it all together. He shows how the Denisovan fossil evidence we've gathered so far could point to Sasquatch. He also talks about the historical distribution of wild-man stories matching the speculated range of the Denisovans. Another very interesting topic he presents is the early-man "avoidance" theory. This is where one group of human-species adopts a more primitive or "wild" lifestyle to avoid having to interact with more technologically-advanced groups of "humans." This would lessen the chances of being killed-off or absorbed. Over tens of thousands of years, the more "wild" human-species group would develop enhanced physical characteristics like being, larger, hairier, faster, better night vision, etc. As I said, some of this information has already been discussed in this forum, but this is the first time I've seen one source that links it all together in one theory. Interesting! https://youtu.be/vN9q8ewDQs0?si=Eyi6vE2g2PH2XEJz

If there are Sasquatch out there today (or feral people) that's the entire point. They leave no old campfires, no broken tools, no worn-out clothing, etc. They leave no sign that they even exist. That leaves other groups of human-types wondering "are they animals, are they people, or are they ghosts." It's the ultimate survival strategy. It takes something that's VERY smart to pull that off!

As a species, we have massive amounts of hubris. That's typically what gets us in trouble.

I don't buy Denisovan tool usage as a 100% established fact. I understand that it may be the current thinking, but it's based on some assumptions. Like I mentioned before, the sites that Denisovan "tools" have been found at were also occupied by Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens and science can't say with absolute certainty that Denisovans made those tools. Many scientists are very quick to assign tool usage to any newly-discovered "homo" species. Maybe too quick. I seem to recall reading an article in the recent past where one group of scientists discovered "tools" in a cave habituated by a hominid group (can't remember which one) only to have another group of scientists brand them "interesting looking rocks, but likely not tools." I'm not saying Denisovans didn't make tools, jewelry, etc. Perhaps some of them did (maybe those groups had contact with Neanderthals and/or Homo Sapiens?). Perhaps there were groups isolated from other Denisovan groups (and other hominids) who didn't. The fossil record is still too tiny to make too many assumptions.

Perhaps 'reverse evolution' is not exactly the correct term, however, consider this: 'Isolated Relic Populations: As modern humans spread across Asia, small pockets of Denisovans may have been pushed into remote mountains, dense forests, or isolated islands. Living cut off from larger groups, these isolated bands might have experienced changes in behavior or a loss of complex toolmaking skills simply due to smaller group sizes—a phenomenon anthropologists call cultural drift.'

Here is another example maybe most don’t think of. Two Homo Sapiens separated by 12000 years? (This number is rapidly going older, but for sake of argument I will stick with the traditional number) Within the span of 100 years? Native Americans are quickly adopting Horses, Guns, Steel knives, Iron cookware, mirrors, etc. They cannot make any of the trade items themselves. And yet they forsake traditional methods and begin seeking to acquire the trade goods. They are not using rifles as teepee stakes or steel knives as door stops. That’s because despite being cutoff from mainstream human technological advancements. They are not dumb people. They see the technology for what it is and incorporate it into their lives. I am going to go out on a limb and say that if North America was populated by Paranthropus Robustus? This quick assimilation to these trade items just simply would not have occurred. Many tales of the Ebu Gogo, I just posted a video of a man who was studying the myth before the discovery. One of the stories as told by Flores natives is some hobbits (as they are now known) came into camp one night. The villagers fed them dinner on plates. When the hobbits got done with the dinner they tried to eat the plates….. Many stories about Bigfoot as well that are similar. One that sticks in my mind is a miner in California had noticed that his camp was being messed with. So one morning he left camp as usual and then snuck back and hide and observed it. A Bigfoot came into camp and began playing with the fire like a child would. Very curious but at the same time just inept with the concept.

A species of human could no more consciously decide to stop using/manufacturing tools than a leopard can change its spots.

They seem to walk through snow like it’s a field of clover, obviously it doesn’t bother them. All wildlife is perfectly home in their environment, which includes rain.

Very cool finds, NC. Here in the west, there are similar seasonal patterns arounds lakes and reservoirs. I've seen or heard of quite a few researchers observing many mostly juvenile tracks. Check out Madison's topic on these:

Maybe not that tough a sell. Some evidence of Denisovan tool use comes from caves also occupied by Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens, so it's not 100% settled. Even if Denisovans did use tools, some groups could have opted out of it in favor of a more "wild" lifestyle. The avoidance-theory that this guy floats, speculates that hallmarks of civilization (like tool use) would increase interactions with other human-species. That in turn would lead to competition, which would lead to some species being decimated. The thing that some get wrong about evolution and the survival of a species, is that it's not locked into moving in one particular direction. Tool use, leading to civilization, leading to technology may not be a forgone conclusion with some hominum species. It may just be one possible survival strategy. We see this avoidance-theory to some extent in modern humans with the few remaining uncontacted tribes. They choose a stone-age lifestyle (how is that even possible in 2026?) and even violently resist contact. Perhaps Denisovans were more physically equipped to adopt a wild, natural lifestyle. Whatever Sasquatch is, their lifestyle has worked for them!

The skull is a gorilla skull. How did they program the 3-D printer without a Sasquatch skeleton? IIRC, the plastique-fantastique was made for media activity. I can't remember who bankrolled it.

That’s probably already happened.

If any part of our government admitted to the existence of Sasquatch, they would ABSOLUTELY be considered an indigenous people and would likely also be considered some sort of "uncontacted tribe." Legions of groups would step forward to lobby on their behalf and instead of just a small island being off-limits to visitation (as in the case of some uncontacted tribes), gigantic tracts of lands could theoretically be closed permanently. The closure of public and private lands would be like nothing we've ever seen before. It could be an economic Armageddon.

I think you're naively optimistic .. we are much more willing to be self-destructive (and pompously, righteously so) than you seem to realize. The courts do not care about the survival of the country .. at all. Where juries are in charge, where emotions drive decisions, the notion that anything can be "other than exactly as I want it" does not have a seat at the table. You have to truly believe there is a realistic risk before that sort of thinking comes into play. It won't until it is far too late to matter.

Is that a serious question? When decisions are made in courts by juries rather than being made by professional managers, a lot of really dumb things happen. We've had any number of post-fire salvage timber sales here blocked by court decisions when the environmental groups sued USFS and timber companies in federal court. Expecting anything rational once the courts are involved in emotional issues is pretty nuts once you've seen how things really happen. :( It doesn't matter anymore what you can prove or disprove, when it gets to court, all that matters is feelings, not science.

“Good” is all in the eyes of the beholder. And one amazing crystal clear way better than good photo WILL NOT move the yard stick with academia one bit. We need physical evidence.

yes, and since the courts overrule the professional land managers who are just trying to do their jobs managing ecosystems, lock-up via court mandate is the most probable outcome.

I'm going to take another shot at this. I've been having a weird conversation off-forum and something strikes me that I think we've failed to consider. What if it is not BLM and USFS at all? And not the timber companies / mining companies? What if the hurdle is the Native American / First Nations tribes? Think about this: if bigfoot is proven to exist, bigfoot presence in North America probably predates the tribes' ancestors' arrival in North America. If BF is sentient, they would have rights even senior to the rights of the tribes. We might have to displace the tribes to return the land to bigfoot. I don't know, not claiming it is true, but since we're kicking around ideas to try to explain observations, think about how that would work out in court. And that might be why the federal agencies won't touch bigfoot with a 10 foot pole.

This interesting file about an older, earthy hound hunter and surveyor who ran across bigfoots in Northern California. He hunted with Blue Tick hounds in the remote woods of California, and he came across several Bigfoots. His dogs cornered bigfoots, and he tells what happened. He said his dogs chased a bigfoot and when he caught up with the dog and bigfoot it was too late. The bigfoot had grabbed the dog's back legs and bashed the dog into trees and killed it. He said when his dogs chased bears and cornered them the bear acted in different ways. He ran across bears and bigfoots while working as a surveyor in the deep woods of Northern California. Bing Videos

Daniel Boone did many amazing things and one of the most outstanding events that happened to him was when he encountered a Bigfoot while camped out in Kentucky with his men. This amazing event happened in the mid 1700s so those of you who have never read or come across this adventure, this short 5 minute video will help fill you in on Daniel Boone's encounter with Bigfoot. Back then they probably didn't call it Bigfoot. In different parts of the country Bigfoot has many different names that adds a little confusion with the study of this creature. Anyway, I'm sure that you will enjoy this short video that will add to your knowledge of Bigfoot. When compared to guns that we have today, how deep would the lead bullet fired from a 1750's flint lock rifle penetrate a Bigfoot's chest? If you had 1750 flintlock rifle and a Bigfoot charged you, where would you shoot the Bigfoot? Back in the mid 1700s for those of you who are gun experts, what caliber of gun did Daniel Boone probably use? Can you name at least 5 words that bigfoot has been called? https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=daniel boon battled bigfoot&view=detail&mid=E5D6728835A34F4B1BA2E5D6728835A34F4B1BA2&ajaxhist=0

Great looking country! I'll have to get busy and post some pics of my recent trip through BC, Yukon, and Northwest Territory. We saw a LOT of wildlife.

Your plan is very imaginative, and it would be a great start to put into action. The end results would be a deceased or a live sasquatch depending on the encounter situation. Using BFRO is a great idea for focusing this Squatch One Team or SOT on active bigfoot sites. SOT would need to employ a travel supervisor who would arrange private jet flights to the designated American state and secure established camping parks that would accommodate 10 dogs and a 20 person crew including a film team of 2 . One major issue would be the funding. Funding would be partially through private money and TV documentaries. Movie/TV rights would fund the project after the team supervisor contracts with a film company who would broadcast a weekly TV series.

Everything is a psyop. It is all purposefully designed to muddy the waters to such a degree that it is impossible to know who or what to trust.

Bumping this old thread, just because, I am nostalgic, hahah

Gotta laugh, sort of like USFS as a billboard proponent and sleuth fo the "beauty strip" script. I was doing some volunteer work yesterday and many different environmental agencies were involved. I was the only nongovernmental person present. I can tell you there are some very dedicated personnel out there doing important jobs that keep their head low now. My personal perspective is that Sasquatch and UAP and NHI are Siamese partners who swim in the same pool.

I would say #1 is less likely. There isn't a ton of timber harvest of USFS land anymore, much -> most seems to come from private timber lands and BLM lands as well as state forest lands now, none of which USFS has any responsibility or authority for. I'll mix #2 and #3 together because I think #3 presents the situation with fair accuracy, moreso than #2. #4 is definitely true. Moreover, many -> most of their "biologists" are on the forestry side, not the wildlife side. Typically wildlife issues on federal lands of all sorts go to the US F&W service, not the land management agency. My expectation is if USFS were to get involved, they would quickly pass the torch to the federal wildlife agencies, not a timber / recreation agency. Oooh oooh .. that brings up another thing: USFS now spends more time / money managing recreation than they do managing timber harvest. ... and if you look at the condition of our USFS-maintained trails you'll see even that is a failure. Since you had your sighting up behind Prospect and Butte Falls, you're somewhat familiar with the area. Did you know that 2 years ago USFS only had 2 people on the High Cascades (Prospect) ranger district tasked with trail maintenance because their budget was so tight? #5 -- I don't think BF exactly puts jobs in danger, BUT I do think making a fuss about bigfoot might cause problems for someone trying for a career that goes beyond a local ranger district or forest. To move up in rank above .. I think it is GS-11 but it might be GS-9 .. you almost have to transfer to another forest. The supervisor on the "receiving" forest can accept your transfer or reject it. If you've made trouble in your current position, forced the district ranger there to deal with issues they don't want to, then likely the transfer .. as well as the promotion going with it .. are going to be denied. That doesn't mean you get fired, you just get .. stuck in place with a lot fewer upward mobility options. #6 -- I don't think the president or cabinet have a role in this. This has gone on since 1967 or before across administrations, across parties. If it were as simple as that, with this much time passing, some administration would have decided to spill the beans. #7 and #8 are both possible. So to summarize, I think USFS doesn't get to the bottom of this because it is not their job. I think it would more clearly fall on USF&W servivce on public land in general, possibly on some of the military base command (like JBLM) where appropriate. More likely than some deep conspiracy to keep us in the dark, I think the reason lies somewhere else. We, as citizens, expect our government to be subject matter experts, to manage situations, to control them, and to protect us. Facing a situation they do not have expertise, cannot manage or control, and cannot guarantee our safety, the most rational option for their employees is to pretend the situation does not exist. Until someone officially and publicly acknowledges it, someone with the authority to speak for an agency when they do so, the situation truly does not exist so far as their responsibility to handle it goes. Just my view of course.

Denisovan

When I say Government, I mean the people who control it. Whom ever has the power to stigmatize a subject. Project Blue Book claiming a UFO is nothing more than swamp gas. People who make April Fools jokes on the official U.S. Forest Service website about Bigfoot. Etc. This isn’t the actions of low level people. This is an active decision by the people who run the show.

They don't have to silence them. All they have to do is attach a stigma to it. Which they have done so. This was going on with Commercial Pilots who had witnessed UFOs reporting it to the FAA. It was a great way to get your medical pulled. Step out of line and things will get hard for you. We know this tactic from other fields. If your a witness your either mistaken, a liar, a drunk or you belong in a padded room. There is zero chance in 2026 that the government doesn’t know Sasquatch exists. Military, Border and LE surveillance has picked up anomalies 100 percent. 🤷🏻‍♂️ We have them on highway cameras and even a eagle cam. There is no doubt in my mind there is better footage archived somewhere. So why the pushback? Why the obfuscation?

The forest service designs and use to hide timber sales that helps remove fuels that build up in old growth forest and provides fuel for forest fires. Areas to be logged must be in proportion to the size of the drainage basin where the logging will occur. If a drainage basin is over logged then massive erosion will occur that floods creeks and rivers with brown sediment that can wipe out trout, salmon, and steelhead. Each drainage basin can have limited and planned logging which may need to be in public view, so fish are protected and wildfires are kept to a minimum. After a planned clearcut, grasses, brush, and small trees begin to grow back which supplies deer, and elk fresh leaves to brouse on. Bigfoots ability to raise a family and to find food is improved since deer and elk survive on the new growth springing up on clear cut land. However, during hunting season, Bigfoots ability to feed its family is reduced since bigfoots must evacuate prime hunting grounds to avoid regular hunters and hound hunters which forces bigfoot to hunt at night when hunters are absent from the woods. During hunting seasons bigfoots may need to hunt higher in the mountains where deer might be less prevalent and access roads are nonexistent. In general, the lives of bigfoots were probably more difficult during time when pioneers flooded lands throughout America. Bigfoots obvious desire to avoid humans has increased since the pioneer days which could have made them an endangered species that could go extinct. Since bigfoots are so difficult to find and to gather evidence on how they live, it becomes nearly impossible with present means to study them so they can become a documented and proven species. How we avoid killing a male and female bigfoot to prove their existence is a topic for another paper that could include hiring a massive forest workforce supplied with tranquilizer dart guns. Once proven, bigfoots and their habitat will probably receive national protection. Areas close to their nesting grounds will probably need laws to reduce hunting in these areas, build roads away from their homes, and supply food during winter months to prevent them from going extinct.

I am a firm believer in logging. And reducing the fuel load on public forests. Its a shame that the Forest service tried to hide it from the public who obviously doesn’t understand wild land fire behavior. They unfortunately only understand it when their house burns down. Which is the inevitable result of bad policy decisions decades earlier. Deer and Elk also love the young browse that comes after a logging operation or a burn. The forest floor receives more light allowing younger plants and different species to thrive. But should you have quit? In the words of John Wayne? A man outta do what he thinks is right! The government is a giant bureaucracy. Anyone who has worked for them should understand. Anyone who doesn’t probably thinks it is ran like a business. It is not. There are secret agendas and public PR campaigns that don't always align. I don’t pay attention to much noise. Just the results. And if your forest is burning down around your ears each year? Somebody is not doing their job.

That hits the nail on the head. (And, thank-you for summarizing the affects that your encounters have had for you. Much appreciated.) Something funny is going on! Of that, I am 99.9% sure. There is just no way that an otherwise 'normal' biological creature of the reported sizes can exist and, remain unclassified after all these years, without something(s) 'funny' going on. This is a good thread, in my opinion. We can be civil here and honestly explore what may be the cause(s) for the lack of Scientific acceptance/classification. When I joined the BFF, it was stated that the official stance of the BBF was basically that Bigfoot are a biological animal, similar to Gorillas, Humans, etc. except in perhaps their size and elusiveness. And, as time went by, I never really understood why so many people categorically reject the idea that there may be (and most likely are) characteristics of Bigfoot that are beyond the current Scientific paradigms. In fact, if you accept that many witnesses are seeing something(s) matching the criteria, it seems undeniable that they must defy our current understandings. As a side note: I live in the middle of a big city, on a busy road. Yet, my backyard is interesting because it becomes almost rural when you step out the back door. And (not to imply too much into how this may affect this current discussion), I have seen unusual wildlife out there. One night about 15 years ago when it was just about to get fully dark, I saw the silhouette of some kind of gigantic bird fly by. We have barred owls and some hawks and a few eagles, but this thing had like a 6-7 foot wing-span and it flew right by me! I imagine that any Ornithologist would probably say 'No, you must be mistaken, there are no birds of that size anywhere around there' but, I know what I saw. Point being: no one really knows anything, until they know.

Canuck Pass Baby Bull Moose in camp this morning!

I voted for other: Study Sasquatch https://www.youtube.com/@studysasquatch/videos I know the guys presenting and can attest that they are serious, professional, and doing some of the best research in the field today. Not as entertaining as the stories told in Flash of Beauty, but it is all about field research - trying to get data, and showing methods and results.