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Despite our differences of opinion, this certainly feels like a place I will be for a long time. Thanks for making it feel welcoming!

typical word play in the original post. not blaming the OP, but I am blaming his sources for fear mongering. opening 112M acres for logging doesn't mean that 112M acres will be logged. Today, we log anywhere from 2M to 10M acres a year in the US. The directive from President Trump is to increase logging by 25% domestically. That means 500K to 2.5M acres will be logged out of the 112M acres. We are talking about .45% to 2.23% of the 112M acres being logged. We have 823M acres of forest in the US. When you look at the amount of total forest impact, we are talking about to .06% to .30% of the forest being logged annually under this new rule. Is this really a sky is falling moment? NOT EVEN CLOSE. It is more whipped up hysteria from the true enemy of the people, the media.

I hear what is likely a Hairy or Downy Woodpecker foraging. Light pecks at tree bark to uncover insects.

We argue and fuss, but thank you all for making the BFF a fun vibrant place to hang out! Happy Easter to all! 🐰🐇🐣

Sure. It used to be if you saw a bigfoot sticker on a car, you could pretty well bet it was either another researcher or someone with deep interest, maybe personal experience. Today bigfoot is the equivalent of a pink flamingo on someone's lawn. There is no stopping cultural absurdity. Stuff is not in your control or mine. All we can do is manage ourselves.

The federal forests around me need thinning badly. Fires get worse every year. I welcome this news.

First of all, the audio, as of now, is caused by an unknown source. Stating that it was made by Bigfoot is pure speculation. Second, there's no way to guage the intelligence of whatever made it simply from the audio that you've recorded.

I was addressing why we may not find Bigfoot bones. I have only found one bear skeleton in my life. Chimp fossils are also not prevalent because of moist jungle conditions. Which would also apply to early hominid fossils, until they got to arid areas, like the rift valley.

And yet no one dares comment about the genuine audio I captured. Only ad hominem attacks to preserve their faulty view of the topic. We are dealing with something much smarter than humanity, not just some below average IQ relic hominid, as so many people on this site want to believe.

For this "They Know" idea to be true, we have to agree a lot of other things also need to be true: This means the government has the ability to find all these lost people in the woods and lets them freeze to death and so on. All those bodies found are allowed to die by the government who could have saved them but chose not to. This same government let the Virginia state park search go on for a missing special needs child to go one for a 1 week. The heck with those resources and all 5,000 volunteers doing the searching. The Government is choosing for this to be allowed. After all it's only a scared lost and hungry kid out in the elements. When Billionaire adventurer Steve Fosset died in the wilderness, they knew all along where his craft went down. They were fine to waste the time of all the search parties and recovery people so it would take a year to find the wreckage/crash. When we test what we think might be true it helps to ask, "If this is true then these other things must also be true" I'm not trying to be a smart Alec. I'm trying to appeal to what I feel is a more reasonable position. If you still don't agree with me that is more than fine with me but at least understand why I and others might hold a different position. It is a position that seems to hold up time and time again in real world examples.

MIB I couldn’t agree more. Perfectly said. All I’m saying is Bigfoot doesn’t reach that level. Some other things do.

Being Loggers by trade, I am happy to see our own resources being put to use. Also as someone lives very near the unmanaged forested land I am also grateful. I only can speak to my own area and experiences. I really don't believe it will impact Bigfoot here. We have so much wilderness and Park lands that there is plenty for both. JMHO. I have to remember when forming opinions only know what I know and don't know what I don't know.

They never fear what they CAN control…. They fear what they CANNOT control.

For some strange reason it just happens to people . A lot of times it's mostly just geographical . When you don't live in a part of the country where they are you search the areas you have available . Thing is though once you convince yourself you have found bigfoot evidence Nothing and I mean Nothing will change your mind even though bigfoot are not there . If you think about it we have one member who thinks they telepathically communicate with them everyday . This thread is heading that way

On a side note ( read that as thread drift) . It always comes up why has no bigfoot bodies or bones been found . Hominids are the only species who ritualistically bury their dead https://www.earth.com/news/homo-naledi-may-have-been-the-first-to-bury-their-dead-200000-years-ago/ You know typing that up. The thought occurred to me . Those mystery log structures that are being found? Has anyone ever searched the ground near them for possible burial sites?

1) If Sasquatches exist, reporting data alone demands they have existed on Fort Lewis, WA, at some point since the creation of Ft. Lewis as an Army post in 1917 (just 27 years after the end of the American Indian Wars). Reporting data strongly indicates that Ft. Lewis features an enduring population of these creatures passing through on a regular basis, and a century ago might well have had a decent resident population. There are documented reports of soldiers seeing them, and even shooting at them, as well as civilians on and around the post seeing them. Pierce County pretty much has the highest report counts in the BRFO database for the entire continent. The U.S. Army has every tool and asset necessary to "catch" the strongest physical evidence of these creatures, even back in the early days of the post, especially after a half century of chasing Indians around the continent. They also have the ability to do so secretly, both from the knowledge of the public, other government agencies, and even from the knowledge of most of the soldiers and officers on post. 2) The Army has a cultural attitude of superiority over their environment and informational security.......to the point of paranoia. It has been this way since even before the beginning of the U.S. Army's existence when it was still the British Army. If field commanders have Sasquatches running around their facilities, reports will reach people with authority, and some of them WILL utilize their assets to find out what is going on, then they WILL report their findings to their superiors. If told to stop their activities and keep their mouths shut, there is more than a fair chance that they will do as instructed. 3) Especially since the mid-1960's (50 years after Ft. Lewis was founded, and more than 50 years ago from today), the environmental movement is plenty of reason why a post commander would keep the existence of sasquatches downplayed, if not actively covering their existence up, especially on Army lands. There are also numerous other potential reasons, especially if they have determined that these creatures are primitive humans (as the Indians claim), having gone through Indian Wars for some 500 years now. If Sasquatches exist, some within the U.S. Army know about it. You can take that to the bank.

That is correct. But I'm quite confident that there are conspiracies within government to ignore the existence of Sasquatches, and this position extends to active discouragement of discovery on occasion in certain circumstances.

This !! They don't have to run any more disinformation other than infer that witnesses are not mentally well. And that will have repercussions in your life. Personally and professionally. This would include persons in the government itself.

This seems to be a hot topic in the Bigfoot world. The answer depends on what people think of as "The Government" You can predict the answer to your Q when you know some other perspectives on what people think about other topics involving the government. The answer is: NO The government doesn't care. If they had proof of Bigfoot's existence parts of the government would awaken and care only to the extent of their boundaries and mission. For instance, the IRS would still care ZERO while the DNR might create parameters on forbidden hunting. Local sheriffs might have concerns of safety. Biology researchers might concern themselves about what makes a Bigfoot tick. Maybe military contractors try to lean how Bigfoot is so stealthy. Remember that old CIA saying: Two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead. There is no Bigfoot secret. Bigfoot either exist or it does not. if so, some parts of our government either know or don't know or care. If they know, why would that part of government keep it quiet or feel the need to?

That map of human migration has one element missing, and that is pathways made accessible by lowered sea levels during periods of glaciation. Drops of 200-400 feet have been reported for various ice ages, and these could result in significant expansions of habitable/traversable land. Its quite possible that much of man's prehistoric settlements could have taken advantage of these exposed coastal zones, and that untold habitations and artifacts, evidences of lost cultures could well be discovered within these now Oceanic sites.

From your own posts. In your Teepee structures post, you say in the first post that they are "created for another purpose ... [p]erhaps as a simple way of showing how many of their kind [the forest people] are in a particular location. You later stated that "the forest people" do not place these structures in there more secret living space, but use them at the boundaries of their living space. From roughly 0:45 to 1:00 minute of that video (discussing the 2013 teepee), you clearly stated your belief that the forest people were individually stacking sticks to provide a headcount of Bigfoot in a given area. In your Hilltop structure thread, you stated that the hilltop structure, "[l]ike the Teepee structure is a sign of where they [the forest people] live...." You labelled your next thread as a fact, stating that "you captured the voices of the forest people knocking over a tree" without qualification.

Okay, a better statement is that there are limited documented or reported sightings. If a sighting occurs in the woods and it isn't reported to a research group, then it doesn't add to the base of knowledge about Bigfoot. Why would a research group, such as the BFRO, the Forums, or whatever group exists in Massachusetts ridicule witnesses? Numerous people have given detailed accounts of their sightings here on the Forums; I don't recall any of them being ridiculed. In fact, the Forums management has banished members who ridicule other members and/or their reported accounts. I'm sure that the Forums' membership would welcome a description of these encounters (usually in the sightings Forum, Massachusetts reports would go in the northeast sightings subforum). If the report was detailed enough, they would likely be added to the SSR (the Forums' database) so that other researchers, who may be more reserved about posting, can use them in their research. I post about things I research online because despite quite a bit of hiking in the Daks, Catskills, Canada, out west, and several grid searches in remote woods in New York, I haven't had an encounter, seen a track, heard a knock, or found any wood structure/manipulation that's attributable to anything other than nature or humans. Since I don't have the good fortune of knowing they exist through a first hand encounter (the only real way to know until someone puts a body (or two?) on a slab for dissection), the only thing that will persuade me one way or the other is research. I haven't questioned your claims, merely added context to assist others to make their own decisions about them. Look forward to hearing more reports from your research. As noted above, it seems to be a potential example of the halibut effect (which I note for newcomers is described on the BFRO website, in Cliff Barackman's podcasts, and probably somewhere here in the forums).

Actually, that's a misconception that a lot of people make. Absence of evidence is evidence of absence where the evidence should be there. An example of this is medical tests. If someone thinks that they have a disease or infection, then there should be evidence of it. But if the test results shows that there's no signs of the disease or infection, then they don't have the disease or infection.

We will one day admit that the native Americans were correct in their assessment of Sasquatch as a great spirit of the forest, as we have already conceded that the tribal medicine man really did know which plants could cure an ailment. There is a reason that they remain elusive.

I grew up in the PNW. I vividly remember being a school kid from a medium sized city visiting a small logging community in the foothills of the Cascade mountains for a flag football game. This little town was extremely poor. Most of the homes looked like shacks and single wide trailer houses. However, the school was almost new. The kids had brand new uniforms. I would later learn that school provided breakfast, lunch, and a brown bag dinner was the norm in these logging communities. This was long before todays "free lunch" program. Why was the school the only modern, new, and fully functional community support system? Because timber revenues were mandated to the school systems within that county. I am a supporter of sustainable timber harvest for ALL forests. The trees, endangered species, forest critters, and wild hairy people will all be just fine. I also think this new rule shoots a hole in the old theory that forestry practices were shut down by the Feds to secretly protect what some folks call Bigfoot.

Those weren't dermal ridges that you saw. It's hard enough for dermal ridges to be imprinted on dirt and mud, so not all of the casts that are claimed to have them are actual dermal ridges. Plaster casts produces a lot of artifacts during the curing process. Therefore, careful examination of the casts is required for confirmation. But, when it comes to snow footprints, the chance of it having dermal ridges are 0% because it violates the laws of physics. Snow isn't fine enough to be able to pick up the ridges. But what makes it impossible is that the thin layer of the surface of the snow melts immediately on contact with the bottom of the foot. Those weren't dermal ridges that you saw. It's hard enough for dermal ridges to be imprinted on dirt and mud, so not all of the casts that are claimed to have them are actual dermal ridges. Plaster casts produces a lot of artifacts during the curing process. Therefore, careful examination of the casts is required for confirmation. But, when it comes to snow footprints, the chance of it having dermal ridges are 0% because it violates the laws of physics. Snow isn't fine enough to be able to pick up the ridges. But what makes it impossible is that the thin layer of the surface of the snow melts immediately on contact with the bottom of the foot.

Here are some reasons not to leap to the conclusion that a structure encountered in the woods = "Bigfoot." 1) The Great Hill Recreation Area, where this was filmed, is a postage-stamp sized park of 203 acres surrounded by suburbia and typical urban sprawl development. See https://www.trails.actonma.gov/great-hill/ size of the park and your map program of choice for a wider view of the area. 2) No one knows how how much range 1 Bigfoot needs to support itself, but an average New York black bear weighing from 160 to 300 lbs. needs 35 lbs of food per day to sustain itself. The average home range for black bears are 1-15 square miles (female) and 8-60 square miles (male) or 640 to 9600 acres for a female black bear. Thus, this park doesn't have the necessary area to support a (presumably) smaller animal. (I gathered this information some time ago from www.wikipedia.com and the links provided therein, and species-specific preservation/hunting websites; the entire chart of 13 large animals and human hunter/gatherers is uploaded somewhere on the forums.) 3) The branch structure looks to be only 20-30 yards of a trail (a blue trail marker is visible from 12:01 to 12:07, right before the camera pans to the left and first shows the branch structure, and again at 13:22. This is consistent with the Great Hill trail map, available at the website above. Even within the park, this is not a remote area. 4) Dead trees that fall between the forks of trees, like the ones that form the main supports on the right (looking at the mouth of the structure) are not that uncommon in nature. Kids (define loosely at 10-16 years old) making secret hideouts from their parents is also not unheard of. Its a great place to hangout and drink beers snuck out of the home frig or to neck (or so I've been told). This also could be a community hangout (again, look at the dense suburbs in the area) where people added to the "shelter" over time. 5) Setting aside the Hockamock swamp area to the southeast, this area of Massachusetts is a void as far as reported encounters go. There are 63 reported encounters in the state between 1861 and 2016 if you add up the reports from 9 different organizations/books/researchers.* Middlesex County, where this park is located, has zero reported encounters. The closest encounter to this park was in the 1960s, over 15 miles away. * Numbers subject to change as more research is done. Not claiming that this structure is natural. However, nothing supports bypassing more likely explanations (human action) to leap to the more unlikely explanation. That being said, nothing here should dissuade anyone from spending time in the woods and enjoying the fresh air and off chance that you'll encounter Bigfoot.

You’re completely confused. We are trying to get to PROOF…. You have the cart in front of the horse. How are we supposed to get to the truth with documents like the one below? Bigfoot, UFOs, the JFK assassination, etc. How long have we been trying to get to the bottom of it? And your honestly with a straight face tell me that the government has been transparent with American citizens??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

No, that’s just…..criminy sakes…….never mind. Have you met Sasfooty?

I am not agreeing with or disagreeing with RedHawk, however, I do know for a fact that here in coastal Oregon, the natives routinely burned portions of the forest to clear the land so that it would attract game to the new, fresh growth similar to the way a clearcut does.

Following Trumps directive, the usda is going to allow the logging of 112 million acres of national forest across the USA to increase timber production. The claim that the Trump administration is making is that it will reduce forest fires and (so they say). This is primarily being done to increase timber production with ZERO consideration of the effect that this will have on the woods in the USA. I’m worried that this will have a negative impact on the BiGFo0Ts that are still alive. It was the unregulated logging the 18 and 1900’s that drove them to isolation.. Protect our forests Land of Sasquatch Dont tread on me!

Having some major rain which is great! Creeks are finally running good, and these 2 stepped across the creek, I couldn't begin to make this step in one move like they did.

Norseman accurately touched on this important issue which is national forest thinning that will be managed partially by the Forest Service. "Forest thinning is one of the most important tools land managers have to reduce the frequency and intensity of wildfires. Through thinning, land managers can remove surface fuels such as brush and dead, dying, or weak trees that would feed a growing forest fire," google. Thinning is an expensive process when cutting brush and small understory trees for 193 million acers of timber land is a daunting task. We are talking about hiring vast hand labor crews to cut dry brush and small trees so the forest floor is void of brush and wood that is fuel for the next mega forest fire. Before moving on, we need to clarify some confusing statements from google. Statement 1: "US Forest Service does not manage 112 million acres by themselves. Statement 2: "They (Forest Service) manages a total of 193 million acres of land mostly with three other federal agencies. 112 million acres is the acreage within the National Wilderness Preservation System, which the Forest Service administers a portion of. Additionally, a recent emergency situation determination by the Secretary of Agriculture affected 112.6 million acres of National Forest System land, not necessarily the entire acreage under Forest Service management," google "The National Wilderness Preservation System (NWPS) is a network of federally designated wilderness areas managed to preserve their natural condition and provide opportunities for recreation and scientific study. Established by the Wilderness Act of 1964, the NWPS includes over 800 wilderness areas across 44 states and Puerto Rico, encompassing more than 112 million acres. These areas are managed by four federal agencies: the National Park Service, the U.S. Forest Service, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, and the Bureau of Land Management," google. The Forest Service manages a total of 81 million by themselves. They partially manage 112 million acres with three other federal agencies. This equals 193 million acres of land that the Forest Service has a hand in. The 112 million acres is the acreage within the National Wilderness Preservation System, which the Forest Service administers a portion of and it's not the total acreage they manage. Additionally, a recent emergency situation determination by the Secretary of Agriculture affected 112.6 million acres of federal lands. Trump is going to have an uphill legal battle with the Forest Service, National Park, the Bureau of Land Management, and the National Park Service since they are probably firmly grounded with federal lands that they manage. I'm sure federal wildlife biologist know and have documented bigfoots and they keep the knowledge buried. Bigfoot is sly and smart and will survive forest management programs unless all 193 million acres is clear cut.

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/sbs/ftlewis1.htm Well, since you clearly don't know about it, "we all" don't know about it. I'm not familiar with that magical glass. I understand. Nor do I believe that Sasquatches have been drafted into military service. I'm just confident that if Sasquatches exist, they existed on Ft. Lewis lands, and if they existed on those lands, some within the Army knew about it. You don't have to believe that if you don't wish to. No offense taken. Most definitely, but not solely. Again, the Army is downright fanatical about control. They want to control all access to everything on their lands. This even includes wildlife in some circumstances. You're very welcome. I was happy to try to do so. I understand and agree, and that's fine. Either or both of us might be (and likely are) incorrect on our opinions. Indeed, sasquatches might not even exist (which is why I qualified my opinion on the Army knowing about them if they were on Army lands by writing, "if Sasquatches exist,...........").

I thought you were a Bigfoot witness? Or am I not understanding your quote correctly? I have personally seen Washington Fish and Game make bald faced lies with a straight face. One biologist told us houndsman there were only 50 cougars in all of Ferry county. We laughed in his face. They were of course trying to get hounds outlawed and they did. Using that bogus number helped their cause. I also saw a Grizzly Bear where there were none supposed to be. The biologist just smirked. It was at my kids Hunter safety course. They absolutely have an agenda, and the U.S. fish and game with the reintroduction of Wolves seems to be lock step with Washington fish and game. So if they know something about Bigfoot? Do you honestly think they are gonna tell us? They won’t tell us about problem Grizzlies being released in our neck of the woods. I don’t trust them as far as I could throw them.

We have a paranormal section, so let’s talk about ghosts or pixies there. Thank you! https://bigfootforums.com/forum/18-paranormal-general-cryptozoology/

Norseman, game cam pics much appreciated. Joe here

Yeah, this was my initial thought. Though it’s not quite as rapid as I tend to hear.

This is crazy! Ghosts, aliens, and ancient civilizations I get. But fortune tellers and telekinesis coming ahead of Bigfoot belief is absolutely wild.

Says the guy with the wild claim of humans deforesting the great plains with fire.

I'm with Cryptid on that last point, at least to some extent. As for at this point we can't even be certain if what's being seen as "large hairy hominid" even represents a single species, or a spectrum of diverse species created by successive waves of migration, or speciation through isolation or selective factors within a habitat....as relatively closely related forms, hybridization may be ongoing, unless inhibited by their own cultural norms. But I do believe that eventually, or maybe tomorrow, proof/evidence of definite nature will be had. Of course the governmemt may finally choose disclosure of what they know as well.. As for the percentage of sightings that get reported to various record keeping groups, I d personally guess its no more than 5-10% at the very best, and probably well below that. Figure Joe Average may not even be aware of Bigfoot groups prior to a sighting, this their first recourse would be to call the police, or perhaps the forest service, which would usually result in mirthful dismissal, which could well make them all the more reluctant to pursue further efforts to report. Most nigfoot groups on say Facebook that I've seen run rampant with harshly critical elements that offer up more than enough critique, criticism, and questions of personal sobriety to turn anyone's thought away from reporting anything ever again!

Okay I guess there's probably a Bigfoot clan living in my back yard then . Don't become one of those where everything you see and hear is a Bigfoot . You can't research this subject with confirmation bias because it never works and you see plenty of yahoos on Bigfoot youtube channels thinking every noise and tree break is bigfoot That's all I'm saying man.

Bye!

He gave you proof in the form of government officials testifying about their experiences and they have evidence. you just seem to think that there is going to be some kind of UAP style motion around this and you are pretending that it is the only valid way to prove it to you. I think your argument is in bad faith. You just signed up here and you are already becoming antagonistic. Seems like you are trolling. Too many new accounts being contentious recently. go find your proof then. nobody owes you anything. enjoy your search.

Going to have to agree with Norseman on this. There definitely are many benefits of them being recognized as a species. Habitat protections alone are well worth it.

Actually, those structures looks exactly like the ones humans have built.

I do not mean to insult. This is ignorant as hell. Ignorance can be cured via education. I'm a lifelong resident of the area known as the Great Plains. It's true that during historic times virgin forests did exist along the banks of Plains rivers, but were confined to those riverbank areas. The states you've referenced have prairies, and have for millions of years. As this continent was settled, the virgin forests were cut down to supply timber to construct homes and businesses. A shame, but a sacrifice that I doubt could have been avoided. It would be amazing to have seen the original virgin, deeply forrested lands.

Human civilization was built on metal, wood, food, stone, etc... Capitalism isnt perfect, but there is nothing even remotely comparable. And Modern logging is a sustainable future. I dont want every stick taken out of the woods either.