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Speaking as myself, not a mod, not representing forum management, I don't care about the number of posts, I care about the quality / quantity of new information. I get sick and tired of rehashing the same old stuff. What is needed is not more talk, more posts, what is needed is something new to talk about, something worthy of renewed engagement, renewed attention. MIB

The BFRO refers to this as the "Northwest 911 Call" and says the recording is available on Ron Morehead's bigfoot recordings CD. (https://www.bfro.net/avevid/sierrasounds/911.asp) On Morehead's website the description of the recording is confusing at best. The site says, "On Track 10, Ron placed an emergency 911 call that is completely unrelated to the story but nevertheless it provides the listener with a live eyewitness account of an actual sighting." ... which sounds like Ron heard the story and then faked a 911 call to dramatize it?? This is news to me. If I'm reading this right, that voice we hear on the 911 call is Ron Morehead pretending to be the witness he and Peter Byrne interviewed. It's a sketchy thing to do, in my opinion. Judge for yourself: https://ronmorehead.com/about-bigfoot-recordings/ Someone please correct me if this is inaccurate. Gotta say, though, the 911 caller sounds similar to Morehead.

I don't have a smartphone; I think it would be harder to use this format on a phone. Does anyone even learn to type anymore? I agree, oldies like us used to like to have discussions at length, for days or more. I mostly blame social media, which has damaged attention spans and increased sources of information. Another reason could be progression of knowledge; people learn answers to personal questions and move on.

I have been watching forums die a slow death for years. I.e. The old jet boating forum Mean chicken is gone. Along with it all of its extensive knowledge. The younger crowd doesn’t do forums for some reason. They stick with social media. And then cry about censorship, etc. I just don’t get it. I find forums like these much easier to navigate and interact with.

Logging and burns are good for ungulate populations. Creating browse for Moose, Elk and Deer. If Bigfoot hunts ungulates? Then it would benefit them as well. These elk are hanging out in a burn area a couple of weeks ago in the CDA Nat Forest.

I recently explored BFRO report data and found this trend (chart below) in Class A (good evidence) and Class B (questionable evidence) reports interesting, particularly the primacy of Class B reports after around 2005. I'm curious about the forums' thoughts regarding factors driving this pattern. Was it: - change in the types of witnesses reporting encounters (probably due to greater access to Bigfoot information via the web) - change in BFRO investigators -- i.e., more critical investigators reviewing reports - change in BFRO protocols for classifying reports -- i.e., more stringent criteria for Class A - something else? Any other observations worth more attention? The decline in Class A & B reports after 2005 to levels last recorded in the 80s is intriguing, too. I would have thought the running of Finding Bigfoot (2011-2018) and then Expedition Bigfoot (2019- ) would correlate with more frequent reports rather than fewer. NOTES: Data pulled from Kaggle: https://www.kaggle.com/datasets/mexwell/bigfoot-sightings/data Report data available through February 2023, hence the low rates that year.

I love to see how my (admittedly very incomplete) data for just over 1200 reported encounters in the mid-Atlantic to northeastern United States and eastern Canada lines up with other data. I have more reports for this area than the than the BFRO because I've included historical encounters, encounters reported in books, and encounters from numerous other websites which are not (publicly) reflected in the BFRO website. I don't know if they privately incorporate these reports, but if they are a data-based research organization, it would make sense to use all the data available. 2. Other Notable States: * Pennsylvania 130 reports (BFRO) 368 reports (Trogluddite's data) * New York: 121 reports (BFRO) 262 reports * Maine: Not in Top 10 92 reports Temporal Trends 1. Seasonal Distribution: Summer accounts for approximately 34% of sightings, making it the peak season. I have 30% of sightings in the summer Fall follows with around 27% of sightings. And 30% of sightings in the fall Winter and spring have fewer reports, possibly due to reduced human outdoor activity. Winter has 17% and spring has 14% of all encounters. I would say that its likely that both Bigfoot and humans reduce their outdoor activity in the winter. That spring is the lowest % of sightings surprises me given that humans likely want to get outside again. However, Bigfoot may be even more secretive than usual IF that's when their offspring are born. The missing 9% of encounters are due to the fact that many so-called research groups and/or online reports lack basic facts. 2. Yearly Trends: TrogGPT is much less smarter than ChatGPT, so I'll just note some highlights * One can find 86 descriptions of what could be encounters with Bigfoot before 1900 in the limited geographical area I focus on * Not unexpectedly, there are less than 100 reports of "escaped gorillas" or wild men from 1900 to 1950 * The decade with the most reported encounters (not necessarily reported contemporaneously with the encounter) was the 2000s with 344 Lunar Cycle Correlation I find this data very difficult to trust. For example, some data sets use a default date, such as the first of the month, if no specific date is given. In other cases, witnesses have forgotten when exactly an encounter occurred; while some can describe the situation accurately, many can't. Additionally, weather conditions, terrain, and the local environment all help determine actual moonlight one can see, so a witness's statement that "there was very little moonlight" doesn't necessarily tell us what the lunar cycle information accurately. Out of just over 1200 reports, a concrete date was only reported in (or could be extracted from) 328 reports and of these only 183 occurred between dusk and dawn. (There is a reason I include lunar cycle data for daytime encounters if a concrete date is available.) * 41% of nighttime encounters occur when lunar illumination is less than 25% (i.e., first and last six days of a lunar cycle) * 23% of nighttime encounters occur during the peak of lunar illumination (i.e., before and after the full moon) I won't keep going. What I find interesting is that different datasets relying on different encounter reports still produce relatively consistent results. NorCal, I salute you for finding an innovative way to crack data - it would be interesting if this could be applied to the SSR. I also curse you (jokingly) for reminding us that computers are on their way to making us all a Captain Dunsel.

This caught my attention, since my topic post w/ graph showed an observable downward trend. Looking back on my data, code, and graph, I discovered I had mistook the date field as the submission date, when in fact what the Kaggle author called 'timestamp' is actually the reported sighting date. I should have caught this. The submission date is not available in the dataset I had used. The trends that AI pulled from Reddit are based on what the Redditor called an updated dataset relative to the one I used. This updated version has a submission date and a messy sighting year field (e.g., 2022, 2014-ish, 2001-2002, 1987 and 1994, 2011, etc.). The updated version also cuts off at 2021. There are other differences between the datasets, but here's what I found in terms of AI's response: Yes, there was a spike in 2012, though these were largely Class B sightings. My guess is that this comes from heightened awareness from Finding Bigfoot, which premiered in 2011. The downward trend resumed its course after the spike in 2012. Yes, there was an upward trend but it reversed around 2005. Here's my updated graph with correct labeling (LEFT) and a graph I created from the 'updated' data linked by the Redditor (RIGHT). Note that i had fewer records to graph (on the left), as I removed any records missing a date/year value (due to the witness unable to recall the encounter date). The graph on the right, since it's using the actual submission date (rather than the encounter date), had far fewer missing values (roughly 1000 more records to graph). BFRO launched in mid-late 1990s, and this is reflected in the near-zero submissions prior to then (righthand graph).

I asked ChatGPT to evaluate the BFRO sightings database. Here is what I learned: 📍 Geographic Hotspots 1. Washington State Leads in Sightings: Washington has the highest number of reported sightings, with 726 entries, accounting for approximately 12% of all reports in the BFRO database. Peregrine Chai 2. Other Notable States: California: 463 reports Florida: 344 reports Ohio: 327 reports Illinois: 304 reports Oregon: 261 reports Texas: 259 reports Michigan: 226 reports Pennsylvania: 130 reports Colorado: 131 reports New York: 121 reports Georgia: 145 reports 3. Regional Patterns: The Pacific Northwest (Washington, Oregon, Northern California) is a significant hotspot, likely due to its dense forests and mountainous terrain. The Great Lakes region (Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Ohio) shows a higher percentage of visual sightings, with creatures seen in 38% of reports compared to the national average of 28%. Mid-Atlantic states (New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland) have a higher incidence of auditory reports, with creature sounds appearing in 31% of reports versus the national average of 23%. Peregrine Chai+1Axios+1 🕒 Temporal Trends 1. Seasonal Distribution: Summer accounts for approximately 34% of sightings, making it the peak season. Fall follows with around 27% of sightings. Winter and spring have fewer reports, possibly due to reduced human outdoor activity. Reddit 2. Yearly Trends: 2012 recorded the highest number of sightings, with 191 reports. There is an observable upward trend in reported sightings over the years, which could be attributed to increased public interest and awareness. Reddit 🌕 Lunar Cycle Correlation Reports decrease significantly during the full moon and new moon phases. Environmental noises (e.g., wood knocking, rock clacking) peak around the waxing gibbous phase, just before the full moon. Reports where a creature is both seen and heard peak just after the full moon during the waning gibbous phase. Peregrine Chai+1BFRO+1 🧍‍♂️ Witness Demographics and Activities Many sightings involve individuals engaged in outdoor activities such as hunting, fishing, camping, or hiking. Reports often come from individuals familiar with local wildlife, enhancing the credibility of their accounts. Encounters frequently occur in remote or less-traveled areas, reducing the likelihood of misidentifying known animals. 🐾 Behavioral Patterns and Physical Descriptions 1. Common Behaviors: Vocalizations: Screams, whoops, and howls are frequently reported, especially in the Mid-Atlantic region. Wood knocking and rock clacking are noted as possible forms of communication or territorial displays. Rock throwing and tree shaking are sometimes reported as intimidation behaviors. Nocturnal activity is common, with many encounters occurring at night.Peregrine Chai 2. Physical Descriptions: Height estimates range from 6 to 10 feet, with some reports noting creatures approximately 2.5 times the height of a deer. Descriptions often include a gorilla-like appearance, dark or reddish-brown fur, and a strong, muscular build. Movement is typically bipedal, with a swift and agile gait.New York PostThe Sun+2Axios+2Midland Daily News+2 🗺️ Environmental and Geographic Correlates Sightings are frequently associated with areas abundant in deer and elk populations, suggesting a potential food source. Remote, forested regions with ample cover and proximity to water sources are common locations for reports. Geographic features such as swamps, caves, and mountainous terrain are often present in sighting locations. AxiosOregon Bigfoot 🔍 Recent Notable Sightings 1. Michigan (May 2025): A father and son reported encountering a 6-foot-tall, ape-like creature near Plum Creek in Monroe County while bow fishing. The creature was described as having dark fur and was seen leaping from a tree before fleeing. BFRO investigator Matthew Moneymaker deemed the witnesses credible. Midland Daily News+1The Sun+1Midland Daily News+2The Sun+2New York Post+2 2. Connecticut (October 2023): A resident in Fairfield County reported hearing long-duration whooping sounds matching previous Sasquatch recordings. The incident occurred near Monroe in a forested area, with the sounds lasting up to 10 minutes. BFRO classified the report as credible and a Class B sighting. BFRO+7New York Post+7BFRO+7 These patterns and trends provide a comprehensive overview of the characteristics and distribution of Bigfoot sightings across North America, as documented by the BFRO. I found the lunar correlation very interesting. seems like Sasquatch like dark nights. never heard of this relationship before.

I use the PGF now as essentially an encyclopedia. As you point out, much has been thoroughly covered. Because it has, I can turn to the topics and “look up” information by topic. Where something isn’t covered I can just throw out the Question of the day in the appropriate thread and get great insight quickly. If you think of it, if the BFF was a Bigfoot Book it would have many chapters with each subject being covered thoroughly. . It is fantastic if used in this way. It is for me anyway. If that is all it did it’s a great thing.

^^^ Well said, as well... There comes a time when every thread and every point has pretty much already been made. The last few years have been spent regurgitating the same stuff over and over again, just phrasing redundant ideas differently. There is little left that hasn't been covered, but that can actually be seen as a positive thing. It means that this Forum has been very thorough in its discussions and debates. I belong to three other bigfoot forums which are all suffering from the same stagnation as this one. I'm hoping as well, BD.

Interest in many things comes in waves, ebbs and flows. Is it possible your time of joining the forum coincided with one of the peaks? I know this to be true of my own. Thinking of a parallel .. no athlete runs 4 minute miles 7 days a week. It is true of our interest here. I think the period we are in now with less interest, less bright shiny things to draw our attention, is more representative of bigfootery over the long haul. There is also a change of medium when it comes to information exchange. There are TONS of small bigfoot groups on facebook. Lot of people trying to monetize their interest which I think distracts from the larger communities like this one. There is not much to do but get out there and do your own thing in the woods.

^^^ JKH, yes, I know that the BFRO says at one place on their website that they believe it to be an authentic 9-1-1- tape, I'm just surprised that they don't list it as an encounter on their encounter map. Could be nothing at all. One other thing that I forgot to mention. I've spent roughly half of the last 40 years listening to people testifying and listening and looking for "tells" that they were lying so that I could find a thread to start pulling on to unravel those lies. I am pretty good at it and there are certain things that consistently tip off a memorized, made-up story.* Additionally, it's pretty hard for most laymen/laywomen to pretend to be emotionally triggered or afraid or reliving a past fear - the inflections are in the wrong place, they "over-act," they miss places where there should be an emotional response, etc., etc. It's possible that the "victim" calling 9-1-1- is a trained actor, but he sounds to me pretty much like I'd expect of an actual frightened, shocked, or surprised witness to an unexpected event. *True story, there I was, trying to tamp down a problem in a foreign country, listening through an interpreter to a cock-and-bull story about American troops being really, really mean to a person (they were actually stationed in the area to prevent ethnic cleansing against this guy and a few remaining other members of that ethnic minority). The guy had led us to a storage area above his garage or shed and listed everything that the American troops had broken, ripped, shattered, etc., and his last line was, "... and then they broke the holy icons." Now, this garage or shed looked like every garage, shed, barn, attic, outbuilding, etc., that I had ever seen in rural Pennsylvania and it was full of a lot of old stuff with dust two inches thick on everything. And it didn't help that the interpreter's tone in translating the last line sound just like a beer commercial where a guy was telling a sob story to get his buddy's bud light. I responded with a one word epithet that made it pretty clear to everyone that spoke English that I didn't believe the story. The interpreter was so stunned that he just stood there, jaw hitting the floor and I asked, "Do you need to interpret that for him?" He immediately answered, "Oh no, he knows exactly how you feel about this." Not telling this story to discuss politics, nation-building, etc., but just to point out some things that make it easier to pick out false stories - over-emoting, visual facts that don't add up to the story, and repeating the story like a kid rehearsing a poem and trying not to miss any lines. I don't hear any of that in either of the 9-1-1- calls.

Quote from the BFRO link, bold mine. The points above I pulled out are all good, common-sense and logical. We are talking about thirty years ago. Perhaps the youngest the witness could be at this time is around 70, likely more. Ron's been in many interviews, I remember him once saying that the witness later moved away.

^^^^^ All correct. However........ 1) If this recording was a hoax or "re-enactment" of a call nobody can locate, there is no "conspiracy", or....... 2) If an officer responded and found no evidence of anything, the incident disappears into the nexus of millions of such calls throughout the PNW over a decade or so, even if filed in a box in storage, or........ 3) Any number of other such scenarios where nobody (especially a law enforcement agency) cares about the call and recording, and........ 4) Would scoff ("cover up") if a "bigfoot researcher" showed up with a FOIA demand which would require lots of valuable resources to research and find, and which wouldn't really prove anything even if found. Personally, I find the recording and story very entertaining, but ultimately, like so much other bigfoot evidence, is essentially worthless for anything other than entertainment. No need for s "conspiracy" if government is wise enough to think likewise.

If we call 911 for an emergency, I am confident immediately they know the phone number, name, location and so on of the caller. Further I have to think it is recorded and kept for some period of time. Even if the tape would be erased, you would think we could go through some freedom of information act stuff to find out who made the Bigfoot call. We might even find out other details as to what actions the cops took that night-if any For example: the 911 call of Nichole Brown Simpson... I don't think any local dispatcher, cop, or sheriff would remove the recording or the info that goes with it in some sort of conspiracy.

"It's taken heroic means to save the Condor. It remains to be seen if we can save it long term or increase the population in future decades. It's a lot easier to trap or grab those last few condors in the wild and try to get them help they needed when they were almost extinct. This has helped," Backdoc "The Tapanuli orangutan (Pongo tapanuliensis) is considered the world's rarest ape. There are fewer than 800 individuals left, and they face a high risk of extinction. The Tapanuli orangutan was only discovered in 2017, making it the first new ape species found in over 80 years," Google "Yes, Gigantopithecus, the giant ape often associated with Bigfoot, is extinct.Fossil evidence suggests it went extinct between 295,000 and 215,000 years ago. While some believe Bigfoot might be a surviving population of Gigantopithecus or a similar creature, there's no scientific evidence to support this," Google Hopefully Sasquatch has enough of a viable population like the Tapanuli orangutan in order to be discovered someday. It's a matter of time before Bigfoot is proven to exist by capturing one or a dead specimen brought in. The Patterson-Gimlin sighting and my personal sighting has proven to me that bigfoot exists, and I don't expect widespread belief. My sighting report is in the Northwest sighting section. We are impatient and discovery may not happen for another 200 years, so in the meantime we keep the door open, keep up the field work, and gather evidence. Someday a sick or dead Bigfoot will found and brought in for examination and final proof. My days are numbered at 77 years old so please get the evidence and proof so we can be assured that bigfoot will be protected. I would like to know if the Tapanuli orangutan was captured or shot, then approved by zoologist as a new species.

Long time Norcal. You had an injury at work a long time ago. How is that recovery doing? I always try to have a bottle of Hibiclens on hand. Cuts and scrapes in industrial scenarios can be troublesome.

It's probably been 30 years since I was last at Koocanusa. Great country, but long road trips are scarce these days since my wife can no longer handle those.

Hi, I used to be quite active here. Saw 2 of them 50 years ago with my best friend (to this day). My brother in laws brother shot the Marble Mountain Footage. Just thought I'd rejoin to catch up on things.

It's taken heroic means to save the Condor. It remains to be seen if we can save it long term or increase the population in future decades. It's a lot easier to trap or grab those last few condors in the wild and try to get them help they needed when they were almost extinct. This has helped. Moving on to Bigfoot: If Bigfoot exists, we have two types of pathways to try to save Bigfoot. 1) Save it because we would try to save any animal, snake, bunny rabbit or whatever. 2) Save it because it is some human like ape of a higher order so it's less moral to kill it or allow it to be killed off. Under either circumstance, I am of the opinion of Grover Kranz where he basically said science will only accept a body. If it is the last one, it was the last one anyway. I can see a scenario where someone shoots Bigfoot. After the news hype calms there is quick movement to save Bigfoot from killing as an assumed endangered species. In this way the death of one Bigfoot (Body on a slab) results in efforts to help the population and understanding long term.

sketch from Google ..........logging regulations in Montana have been so severe that the mills have closed and profits from timber production are minimal. In their words the forest are shanked," waitress. Are shanked forest good for bigfoots to reproduce and raise young? This biological enigma should be included in timber production plans. Do the federal foresters/biologist even recognize Bigfoot? "While the Bitterroot National Forest is mentioned, Montana has several other national forests, including the Kootenai, Helena-Lewis and Clark, and Beaverhead-Deerlodge, all of which likely have areas that could be described as "shanked" due to forest management practices," Google. Trump wants logging to increase by "unshanking" the forest so clear cutting, stream protection and logging road building can happen efficiently. "Decline in Timber Harvest: The amount of timber harvested in Montana has declined significantly since the late 1980s. This is partly due to factors such as federal regulations, environmental concerns, and the decline of the traditional logging industry," Google.

Which is why the argument that they are too rare or threatened to be harvested in the name of science is null and void. If a population cannot suffer the loss of one or two individuals? It’s on its way out anyway, so why would science not want to document it? And it would appear that genetic labs are bringing back a whole host of extinct animals. So why not preserve the genetic legacy in the hopes that in the future it can be reintroduced?

Beautiful country. It reminds me of the Alberta side of the Rocky Mountains.

Having some major rain which is great! Creeks are finally running good, and these 2 stepped across the creek, I couldn't begin to make this step in one move like they did.

Norseman accurately touched on this important issue which is national forest thinning that will be managed partially by the Forest Service. "Forest thinning is one of the most important tools land managers have to reduce the frequency and intensity of wildfires. Through thinning, land managers can remove surface fuels such as brush and dead, dying, or weak trees that would feed a growing forest fire," google. Thinning is an expensive process when cutting brush and small understory trees for 193 million acers of timber land is a daunting task. We are talking about hiring vast hand labor crews to cut dry brush and small trees so the forest floor is void of brush and wood that is fuel for the next mega forest fire. Before moving on, we need to clarify some confusing statements from google. Statement 1: "US Forest Service does not manage 112 million acres by themselves. Statement 2: "They (Forest Service) manages a total of 193 million acres of land mostly with three other federal agencies. 112 million acres is the acreage within the National Wilderness Preservation System, which the Forest Service administers a portion of. Additionally, a recent emergency situation determination by the Secretary of Agriculture affected 112.6 million acres of National Forest System land, not necessarily the entire acreage under Forest Service management," google "The National Wilderness Preservation System (NWPS) is a network of federally designated wilderness areas managed to preserve their natural condition and provide opportunities for recreation and scientific study. Established by the Wilderness Act of 1964, the NWPS includes over 800 wilderness areas across 44 states and Puerto Rico, encompassing more than 112 million acres. These areas are managed by four federal agencies: the National Park Service, the U.S. Forest Service, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, and the Bureau of Land Management," google. The Forest Service manages a total of 81 million by themselves. They partially manage 112 million acres with three other federal agencies. This equals 193 million acres of land that the Forest Service has a hand in. The 112 million acres is the acreage within the National Wilderness Preservation System, which the Forest Service administers a portion of and it's not the total acreage they manage. Additionally, a recent emergency situation determination by the Secretary of Agriculture affected 112.6 million acres of federal lands. Trump is going to have an uphill legal battle with the Forest Service, National Park, the Bureau of Land Management, and the National Park Service since they are probably firmly grounded with federal lands that they manage. I'm sure federal wildlife biologist know and have documented bigfoots and they keep the knowledge buried. Bigfoot is sly and smart and will survive forest management programs unless all 193 million acres is clear cut.

Crossing the land bridge had challenges in finding fuel for fire / cooking. It is not uncommon for peoples of high latitudes to eat raw meat. Early Arctic explorers learned to burn bones from the 'locals'. Native Americans torched the prairies to provide a short term nutrient blast to the soil that helped new green shoots grow. Many 'modern' people have lost track of natural ways that have evolved over millions of years. Re-read about the wisdom of the pines. Check out Serotiny with respect to 'fire-mediated serotiny' and Pyriscence and the importance of fire. The next time that you are wandering in a pine forest and see a cone on the ground that is closed up and has not released seed, leave it alone. If you pick it up, you will be slimed by really good pitch.

Good points Norseman. Preservation of bones is not easy. We have high latitude permafrost preservation of fauna bone collections of Glacial Lake Outburst Floods in Alaska, high latitude, high altitude mummy finds in the Andes, and intermediate the high latitudes we have peat bogs, tar pits, arid climates ( rift valley Africa ) and arid areas of Australia in the way of finding Mungo Man and Mungo Woman. Scavengers eat and scatter the kills of other predators. The African Savanna has been in front of cameras for a long time. Predators rarely get to eat their kills. Scavengers swarm and take over the carrion and scatter it. The African Leopards / Black Panthers are an exception to the 'smorgasbord' ground level frenzy. They drag various sized prey up into trees for undisturbed days of meals. My point is, out in the open, bones are widely scattered and animals that need bone marrow and calcium will eat the bones but leave the teeth*. Simple, basic separation, excluding soil acidity leaves us with 'open ground' and caves. Scavengers drag carrion parts into caves attempting to have a secluded area for meals. An interesting fact about Gigantopithecus blacki is that the only known mandibles and teeth are 'cave finds'. It is believed that porcupines ate the bones for the calcium and not the teeth. I would guess that the old world porcupines in that area had wicked quills. I am not of the belief that Giganto traveled out of Asia. Wiley Online Library has a free article on Giganto. It is a good read. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.23150 Keep in mind that when you are on Safari in Africa and a skeleton falls out of a tree, jump back into the Land Rover and punch it. For the rest of us, never go into caves (bats, bat guano). * footnote. I believe that Alligator snapping turtles eat everything including teeth. An area lacking predators of any size will have weathered skeletons that have been picked clean by birds and microbes. I have only seen one example in the way of a dog skeleton.

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Crazy footprint Q: This isn't necessarily a "Snow" Q but a dermal ridge Q on footprints. It seems Jimmy Chilcutt (spelling?) the Police fingerprint expert used to be on TV a lot telling some of the tracks (plaster) were proof of Bigfoot. He identified lines and so on in the plaster where he said are proof of Bigfoot. Essentially, he would stake his reputation on that Bigfoot existed. Later I have read these fingerprint-plaster-cast-effect are reproducible. When this was tested this was just from casting plaster prints highly suggesting the FBI guy was wrong. It's possible he was interpreting was just a normal anomaly. I think those findings questioning Chilcutt were presented at some Bigfoot conference. Back to my Q's which is more like one big question: 1- Is Chilcutt still around making those claims? 2- Has his position largely been debunked (limited to the lines on the plaster) ? 3- Has the Bigfoot community largely rejected Chilcutt's position (if it's still his position) or it this still the position in the Bigfoot community generally? That is, do Meldrum and other scientists in the pro-bigfoot community support Chilcutt's position? 4- Was there a presentation at any Bigfoot conference where the "Footprints are Normal" presentation? it doesn't matter to me if Chilcutt got it wrong as it doesn't change what is on the PGF and eye witness reports. I just wondered what the updated position on his viewpoint might be.

I was addressing why we may not find Bigfoot bones. I have only found one bear skeleton in my life. Chimp fossils are also not prevalent because of moist jungle conditions. Which would also apply to early hominid fossils, until they got to arid areas, like the rift valley.

Actually, I forget how I ordered it. I think I googled The Bigfoot Times and went from there. Or, I could look at the copy of The Bigfoot Times which DP graciously included with the book and tell you that the website is www.bigfoottimes.net, then click on the Bigfoot Books tab. Everyone go order this book!

Being Loggers by trade, I am happy to see our own resources being put to use. Also as someone lives very near the unmanaged forested land I am also grateful. I only can speak to my own area and experiences. I really don't believe it will impact Bigfoot here. We have so much wilderness and Park lands that there is plenty for both. JMHO. I have to remember when forming opinions only know what I know and don't know what I don't know.

Says the guy with the wild claim of humans deforesting the great plains with fire.

Those weren't dermal ridges that you saw. It's hard enough for dermal ridges to be imprinted on dirt and mud, so not all of the casts that are claimed to have them are actual dermal ridges. Plaster casts produces a lot of artifacts during the curing process. Therefore, careful examination of the casts is required for confirmation. But, when it comes to snow footprints, the chance of it having dermal ridges are 0% because it violates the laws of physics. Snow isn't fine enough to be able to pick up the ridges. But what makes it impossible is that the thin layer of the surface of the snow melts immediately on contact with the bottom of the foot. Those weren't dermal ridges that you saw. It's hard enough for dermal ridges to be imprinted on dirt and mud, so not all of the casts that are claimed to have them are actual dermal ridges. Plaster casts produces a lot of artifacts during the curing process. Therefore, careful examination of the casts is required for confirmation. But, when it comes to snow footprints, the chance of it having dermal ridges are 0% because it violates the laws of physics. Snow isn't fine enough to be able to pick up the ridges. But what makes it impossible is that the thin layer of the surface of the snow melts immediately on contact with the bottom of the foot.

I am not agreeing with or disagreeing with RedHawk, however, I do know for a fact that here in coastal Oregon, the natives routinely burned portions of the forest to clear the land so that it would attract game to the new, fresh growth similar to the way a clearcut does.

Human civilization was built on metal, wood, food, stone, etc... Capitalism isnt perfect, but there is nothing even remotely comparable. And Modern logging is a sustainable future. I dont want every stick taken out of the woods either.

1. so you are concerned about an unknown future, which falls outside of any plans anyone actually has? so, the boogie man? 2. the reason that there aren't forests in the midwest (there are plenty of forests in the midwest) is 100% most certainly not because of humans burning them to the ground for hunting. this is insane and makes me question your reading comprehension abilities.

typical word play in the original post. not blaming the OP, but I am blaming his sources for fear mongering. opening 112M acres for logging doesn't mean that 112M acres will be logged. Today, we log anywhere from 2M to 10M acres a year in the US. The directive from President Trump is to increase logging by 25% domestically. That means 500K to 2.5M acres will be logged out of the 112M acres. We are talking about .45% to 2.23% of the 112M acres being logged. We have 823M acres of forest in the US. When you look at the amount of total forest impact, we are talking about to .06% to .30% of the forest being logged annually under this new rule. Is this really a sky is falling moment? NOT EVEN CLOSE. It is more whipped up hysteria from the true enemy of the people, the media.

It is both. Our forests are being mismanaged. Fires are getting bad. And the tariff wars will have a negative effect on Canadian imports including lumber. Which is the point of tariffs is to bring production and jobs back to America. Here is a random snapshot of the border between the U.S. and Canada in the Yaak River drainage. Do you notice anything? Which side is logging more? Most timber production in the U.S. no longer comes from the U.S. Forest Service. It comes from state lands and private lands. I.e. Weyerhaeuser or Boise Cascade. And the last part that really gets under my hide is that the U.S. Forest Service is a part of the Dept of AGRICULTURE. Why agriculture? Because up until the spotted owl debacle? Forests were seen as a green renewable resource. You’re growing a crop. You harvest the crop, and you replant the crop. Now they treat them like parks. They don’t touch them, the fuel load grows and grows per acre until a hot summer and a lightning strike sets off a massive forest fire. As a fire fighter of 17 years? Loggers respect flag lines and timber sale boundaries. Forest fires? Do not. Complete towns have burned down. This is mismanagement on an epic scale. And if I started a fire on my property and it spread to Forest Service property? They would sue me into oblivion…. but when it’s the other way around? Crickets. What does this all mean for Bigfoot? Remember that US Parks and wilderness areas will not be touched. But clear cuts are beneficial to certain species like Elk and Deer. If Bigfoot likes to eat hoofed critters? He will like clear cuts. Also all logging respects RZs or Riparian zones, so they cannot log right down to the crick or river. This keeps fish and other critters habitat intact. Also Bigfoot already has to navigate forest fire burnt areas already. A clear cut in his eyes would be just the same without the threat of being burned alive. Some noisy loggers move in for a couple of months and then they are gone.🤷‍♂️

The federal forests around me need thinning badly. Fires get worse every year. I welcome this news.

I think Myrsell is/was refreshing too. Saw him present also. Think he runs an aquarium out near Ocean Shores. BF and Beyond went the premium pay route so not so enamored of them anymore, you gotta make a living I understand but the rehash gets old when you are a paying customer. Wish them luck, I still tune in on occasion. Bobo is Bobo, in small doses preferably, lol. Even though I had a highly irregular sighting I still cringe over many paranormal issues in the field even acknowledging the Skinwalker Ranch stuff is hard for me but I am faced with the evidence and where it leads. Pruitt is a good guy and was part of a team assisting me with a sighting locale prior to my sighting (I believe he trained as a paramedic too).

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In my opinion, if they want to manage the forest, they need to release more beaver out into the wild and let them manage the forest like they did before people nearly wiped them out.

I think if Bigfoot exists it will be hard to find bones as much as it is hard to find the bones of all kind of animals known to man. Couldn’t we just put it in perspective by choosing any rare known animal thought to still be more common than Bigfoot? I doubt there are many bones found of wolverines, certainly not many condor bones out there. Passenger pigeons filled the sky. Now they are extinct. Where are the passengers pigeons bones? If Bigfoot is out there it’s near extinct. If it dies -as all things do - I don’t think we have to believe they bury their dead. In no time, that body would be gone. Normal nature already tells us why you won’t find a Bigfoot body in the woods unless you shoot one.

Here are some google facts that need to be considered before we can answer the question. What's the question: Should the USDA cut 112 million acres of national forest in one year? Google facts "The US Forest Service manages approximately 193 million acres of land, encompassing 154 national forests. (this is not all timber land) While the exact amount of harvest for any given year is not specified, the agency's activities related to forest management, including conservation efforts and timber harvesting, impact the land's composition and utilization," google "The percentage of national forest land suitable for timber harvest varies significantly by forest and region, but generally ranges from about 9% to 26%," GOOGLE This amounts to about 18% of USDA land is suitable for timber harvest .18 x 193,000,000 =about 34,740,000 acres of USDA land is suitable for timber harvest. Let's say 35 million acres are suitable for timber harvest and all the trees will be gone in one year. No, BLM land is not the same as National Forest land. The BLM manages approximately 31.4 million acres of forested land, with around 16% or No, BLM land is not the same as National Forest land. Specifically, in western Oregon, the BLM manages 2.4 million acres of productive forests. google The age of a lumber trees in the United States varies depending on the species and region. In the U.S. South, trees like Southern yellow pines are typically harvested after 20 to 25 years. In the Pacific Northwest, trees like Douglas-firs and western hemlocks can live and be harvested at 40 years or longer. Some oak species in Illinois, for example, can reach financial maturity at 40-60 years. Can the United States Department of Agriculture (Forest Service) cut 112 million acres of national forest over a 1 year period? Answer? no

^^^^^ This is my point in asking the Question starting the thread. If this is an authentic 911 tape/ recording it is a pretty amazing thing to consider. If it is not, we need to know. If someone is portraying a transcript of such a recording it needs to be made very clear this is a RECREATION or a DRAUMITIZATION of some report. Even then, we should find the person who called (recreation or not) and further document their story behind the events which lead up to the call. If it is real 911 call it should leave traces for us to find out more about the incident. I'm just trying to find out the truth. Thanks again for posting. If this Bigfoot call is bogus, we lose credibility if we promote it as authentic.