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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/lesstroud/the-question-of-bigfoot?ref=2zt7i7 Certainly worth kicking in a few bucks if you have it.

I totally agree that results, if not samples, should be saved in raw data form. I have recently presented my eDNA results at the Texas Bigfoot Conference, and the slides are available to view on the FB Group Critical Thinking in Bigfoot Research. I am about to submit these results in more detail in a paper in Relict Hominoid Inquiry, Jeff Meldrum's online journal at: www.isu.edu\RHI.

It seems to me that somehow there should be established a bank of all these DNA results that come up as human contaminated, and unknown primate,such that over time there would accumulate enough samples to begin a systematic comparison . it seems like every time such results are arrived at that's the end of it. The samples are destroyed and the results dismissed. Sure, theres no real centralized unknown primate DNA analysis center, but there must be a way to obtain the direct data of the studies(ie genetic markers present in sample, or not present, for that matter) I dont know what it costs to complete a genome mapping, but it seems like they are getting done for more and more species, maybe its time to try it on a couple of these unknown primate sample. Eventually these samples will begin to fall into groups with shared traits or similarities. Are there anything like this already in existence? Ones that included a variety of different regions samples? I can't say what Dr Disotell does with the data he sees sample by sample, It seems like Dr Sykes threw out half at the get go then destroyed the rest after he proclaimed the resurgence of the Himalayan grizzly(or was it a polar bear) It just strikes me there's bound to be distinctive commonalities within all these samples , which if fully charted out could at least lend itself to some degree, towards some form of classification or taxonomic placement, or at least "oh yeah, that goes in that pile over there..." Of course this is presuming the government doesn't grab up any samples of significance and already "doesn't have any such data bank whatsoever! Thank you very much"!

In January 2025 I will release my new book. Have a look!. 130 pages in length.

Got the lift done and new tires installed, so did an off-road trip yesterday. Perfect conditions for tracks, so checked out all the good spots for potential tracks. Tons of elk and deer, and couple of moose tracks, but no predators or Bigfoot sign. Lots of hunters. The Jeep did amazing and I didn't have to use 4x4 all day. Did a YouTube video of the trip...

Almost like there's a shadowy faction of the government doing their best to suppress and disinform. I mean, if there were samples that "might be a new manatee" I don't think they'd be getting swept under the rug. Please take that with a grain of salt coming from me as I'm no scientist. Still it reminds me of one of my favorite X Files scenes. Enjoy.

Stick around. On this site, we agree to disagree. I don't get 'tree knocks', just the basic samurai chatter, smells, whistles, road crossings and 'Predator camo'. Nature finds a way. A recent find in our global soundscape is Danionella cerebrum. The little fish is about the size of your fingernail and the males can produce noises over 140 decibels. It is the smallest adult vertebrate brain with a volume of 0.6 cubic millimeters. Louder than an elephant. Once again, Nature shows that size does not matter. My point is that there is 'a lot out there' that we have not figured out. I am not aware of any published journal papers touching upon Sasquatch anatomy and vocalizations. Anyone have good clean audio of the tree knock phenomena?

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Your taking Arlo to the train station? What did he do?

Careful BD, zoo gorillas throw poop. The tongue pop scenario is interesting guesswork. I can do tongue pops but the volume is low. 'Wood knocks' are a subject that I do not follow. One must identify the sound type and source at 'point blank range'. I have had 'percussion type' incidents in the past. A widow maker falling from the forest canopy and crashing to the ground. Also, I would walk up a snow covered Forest Service Road to perform seasonal altitude checks at a track way site. I was followed by something making sets of booming 'knocks'. They sounded like wood on wood in sets of 5 in repetition. The timing seemed mechanical. The sound was always above and behind me. I suspected a bird. Months later when I was at the track way site, a Sooty Grouse came at me from the treetops like a dying Hail Mary pass and landed several feet from me. Walked around and hooted. Verification at point blank range. Peterson Field Guides, Western Birds, attributes ventriloquism to Sooty Grouse. I did not need to be stalked by a ventriloquial game bird. The Sooty Grouse that stalked me was very loud. They have to be loud to go the distance to find a mate. The sounds that I have listened to on the web are very muted. The Sooty Grouse has an extensive range in Western North America. Do not be the subjects of fowl play.

In SE Okla I usually carry a Marlin .45-70 with hand loaded 350 grain bullets. During the day that is. At night I have a SCAR 17 7.62x51, 168 grains with a light in case things turn hairy. Always have a Glock 20 on my hip.

Interesting video recreating the PGF location. https://youtu.be/I6I2SpixPv0?si=CKxDjpzqKWPw8w_2

It's maybe less interesting than it first appears. It's posted by a channel called Lazy Cowboy whose entire reason for being seems to be to debunk the PGF. Take a look at some of his other videos. He's basically the anti-ThinkerThunker, where he attempts to pour scorn on TT's findings by - ironically I assume - using the same flawed methods. He tries to prove that upper arm proportions can be made bigger with football shoulder pads by drawing massive dots on the joints and connecting with lines. It's all pretty dumb. I need to watch this a few times, but there is an air of respectability about this which tries to disguise the sweeping conclusions they are jumping to - it's quite unnerving. They toss in buzzwords like Lidar, but there seems no scientifically calibrated way this was interpreted, used and adapted. It's all a bit smoke and mirrors. I posted in a different thread how I think their height is wrong. How they think they deduce it was a smooth sandy surface without obstructions nearly 60 years ago, based mostly on a single photo from years later escapes me. I'll do a proper review in due course, but I'm not fooled by the veneer.

Well, there is nothing on the Youtube page or the organization's website that provides any information about the pedigree of this purported encounter. For all the information we don't have, this could have simply been an English 101 writing assignment that was fed into a computer. The Youtube page generates a transcript which notes at the end that this is narrated by an AI-generated voice. I thought this was obvious, but it was nice to have my suspicions confirmed. Hearing a story first hand from the person who experienced it is critical to judging credibility. I've spent the last 17 years listening to people recite rehearsed scripts in order to obtain a government benefit and the better part of the 16 years before that listening to what isn't said, which is as critical as what is said. And equally important in both situations is the demeanor of the person telling the story, which gives you a good read on whether they're telling you what they experienced or what they memorized. And you can't judge the demeanor or credibility of a witness when the "testimony" is read by a computer. Anyone can practice this skill at a bar or a church picnic or a softball game. Sorry to be the scurrilous skeptic on this one. I'll try not to let it become a habit.

Interesting story, though I've never heard of that incident before. The description of the trail is accurate, and the area it penetrates is a very large unlogged mountain region, with no access roads, only a high voltage power line running through it. I've worked in that area in construction of homes in the communities along the Sea to Sky Highway between Howe Sound and the mountains.

Amazon? What is the best way to get this for those interested?

^^ Thanks. I don't have the wildlife expertise to offer an opinion, although the tone sounded a little more bone / antler like to me. The closest I have to compare it to would be eastern whitetails and you really wouldn't hear just a single knock as in the recordings. Also, great point about the season and the lack of antlers at that time.

Great report, PNW, and it looked like Arlo was enjoying himself. Thanks for the commentary on the MT ATs, I've been looking at those for my H3 in the same size as you have (they'll fit the H3 with no lift), but my current Rotiva ATWs only have about 15,000km (9,000 mi) so it's hard to justify the expense of new ones when those are still doing very well. I went out to our closest research area this afternoon and ran into the same thing you did; the first branch that goes up to a great lookout and a hikers cabin was gated and locked, so I continued to the gate further in that secures the upper valley, for which I have the gate code, and found that it wouldn't open. I don't know if the gate is malfunctioning (it often fails in the open mode) or if I have to contact the Municipality to see if my code has been deleted for some reason. Of course it's a long weekend here in Canada (Memorial Day on Nov 11) so that will have to wait till Tuesday.

https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/43-monkeys-escape-south-carolina-medical-lab-police-115606792 Forty-three monkeys escaped from a compound used for medical research in South Carolina but the nearby police chief said there is "almost no danger” to the public. “They are not infected with any disease whatsoever. They are harmless and a little skittish,” Yemassee Police Chief Gregory Alexander said Thursday morning. The Rhesus macaque primates escaped from the Alpha Genesis facility Wednesday when a new employee didn't fully shut an enclosure, Alexander said. The monkeys are females weighing about 7 pounds (3 kilograms) and are so young and small that they haven't been used for testing, police said.

Hiflier got these knocks or pops the week after I had similar at the same site in the North Maine Woods. His 1 min compilation below took place between 9:25 and 9:50pm, back in May. Mine were between 11:10--1ish am. No one else up there when I was, I drove all of the spurs in quite a radius. I have 11 similar knocks/pops to those 2 below. The 1:06 minute recording is hifliers: Hiflier Knock Sounds.mp3 1117 knock 2.wav 1153a knock.wav

That’s a seriously good point. Some have said this might be a orangutan on the loose. Who knows. Gotta think there are at least a few exotic animals who got loose. Imagine if they don’t capture all these monkey

There is nothing unreasonable about that but I'm still confused. Iowa forests have nothing to do with whatever point you are trying to make. Why even mention it? Is it so you can insult anybody that has had experiences there? I was hit by a thrown rock in an Iowa forest. I can reasonably deduce that no hoaxing human was in this spot at the time, and I know of 3 Class A "Bigfoot" encounters at the same location. This is anecdotal of course. Alas, I didn't see bigfoot throw anything so I guess I should conclude that it was likely to something more explainable. Maybe one of those rock throwing Iowa deer that are so common. This thread is apparently not about experiences. It's about noises... Luckily my audio recorder picks up noises (censored for language). https://soundcloud.com/redbone2/rock-hits-me-091917-1110pm

If you look at all the noises of the forest, certainly the vast majority are not Sasquatch. I just felt that your post was dismissive of the idea that Sasquatch make knocking sounds and other wild noises. I've heard it, and I am not a rube who can't tell the difference between normal and abnormal, and I don't think every stick in the forest was placed there by a Sasquatch. Iowa has its share of weird, especially in the driftless area. https://www.youtube.com/@driftless2487/videos

What is that noise? Incident: I hear a horse walking down a cobblestone street in the USA Result: It's more likely a horse but it could be a zebra Incident: I hear horse hooves in Africa Result: It's more likely to be a zebra and unlikely to be a horse. Incident: I see impression in the mud. Result: It's an antelope/ deer (and it's unlikely to be a Bigfoot) Now the issue of noise in the woods. We hear noise in the woods. Whatever it is, it is certainly more likely to be non-bigfoot (and explainable) than Bigfoot making various noises. I'm not saying Bigfoot wouldn't make noises as it would make sense at some point it might need to (warning, mating, and so on). It is just this: the more likely thing becomes the more likely thing.

I did 30 miles through the woods today. My new Jeep is at the dealer getting a new lift kit installed, so decided to take the Tundra into the Idaho woods to scout out some challenging trails for the Jeep, and to see if I could find anything squatchy. Lots of recent rains, so prime conditions for fresh tracks. Not a single sighting of even a deer. Saw at least a dozen hunters, but no game. Found some great off-road trails and did some hiking, but no tracks. The area is known as Gold Hill and is reasonably remote. Beautiful area, but no sign.

^^ Just moved to the Poconos in northeast PA for retirement. Having gotten to visit the Rockies, Dolomites, and Alps thanks to Uncle Sam, I am embarrassed to add "Mountains" after "Poconos."

The ones I believe to be vocalizations that I have heard, have a metallic echo like sound. Not like a tongue pop, but more like a sound from the throat. What I believe to be wood knocks had a more deadened sound to them.

That is a fascinating and terrifying story. Exactly the kind of report that makes me a ‘credulous bleever’. Kudos to ‘Four Bandits’ for sharing and thanks for posting that, Norseman. As the saying goes: you can’t make that stuff up. Sure, many some-what convincing stories are fabricated, but when you combine human expression, an apparently honest recounting of actual events, spontaneous emotion and a situation that seems plausible, I would not deny that happened in a million years.

If bigfoot is real, there should be more Patterson Gimlin videos. Instead, we are reduced to 'see'ing a bigfoot child doing yoga in a trail cam video. I don't know what I'm seeing for certain. The default position has it being more likely something common and explainable vs a winning lottery ticket of a baby Bigfoot playing twister.

I just watched that earlier.....kinda surprised how wide open it was. From the filming angle the trees, shrubs looked a bit more dense. Really cool recreation!

When I had met Bob he had some cracked ribs from training a mule!

Technically not a new member but my how the forums have grown since I was last active here - Congratulations Gigantor and all the members of the management team. Grew up in the 60s and 70s and learned everything I needed to know about Bigfoot from In Search of and the The Six Million Dollar Man. Then completely forgot about Bigfoot from the 80s to the aughts. Sometime around 2010 or 2011 I saw multiple specials back-to-back on the topic, such as Bigfoot, Legend Meets Science and was sort of stunned to see that Bigfoot was still "a thing." Was able to concentrate on the issue, but work and family life took a couple of turns for the more complex and I lacked the time and energy to keep up here, so disappeared circa 2015-2016. I have never seen a Bigfoot and don't expect to, but now that I'm approaching retirement I hope to contribute more frequently, particularly to the SSR. I have my own database of over 1,000 sightings in the northeast US and eastern Canada. Even managed to interview a few witnesses. Have come to two conclusions - first, that Bigfoot exists, and second, that it will never be believed until there is an unequivocal body or body part on a slab. Unfortunately, until that undeniable proof exists, most of the world will continue to look at Bigfoot as a myth.

Is this still going? Amazing!

That is because it is a chimpanzee.

This tork character is still here why??

You are mentally ill and dangerous to yourself and to those around you. Seek help. I feel bad for you.

What an incredible victory. I think this would be a great time for you to parade back within the impenetrable walls surrounding ISF and trumpet your incredible story of adventure and conquest. Your accolades await you.

It means you need a safe space, and this isn't it snowflake. you are lazy and boring.

Mods need to ban these guys faster. Go back to reddit, tork. you aren't safe here.

It's Mastermind Bobby and thanks for the good wishes and advice both from you and Cat - didn't think of the CFZ. The one issue I may have is I need surgery so hopefully it won't happen at the same time as filming. Not the same Davo as on YT tho I'll have to have a look and see who my non blue namesake is👍🏻 If you guys or anyone else thinks of anything else, I am very grateful. Cheers, Davo

I don’t think you have any evidence she personally has hoaxed at all. In your mind she is guilty by association. You probably don’t have any evidence that the show has hoaxed anything either. But I will grant you that TV shows are gonna try to sensationalize their product. But show me anyone else that has pulled Chimp DNA out of a National Forest? I don’t put any stock in foot casts and blurry photos. And they are everywhere. I find her refreshing. Her angle of attack isn’t amateur hour. It’s found new species of primates. So I can put up with the blurry photos and foot casts.🤷‍♂️

I'm having trouble visualizing how the holster was fitted so the firearm was pointed at your face. I'm also wondering how you even were able to notice that he was carrying. If the state you are in allows open carry , then he was legal. If not then allowing a concealed firearm to be observed is considered brandishing. Which is illegal. Why would anyone open carry with a shoulder holster in a grocery store? Nearly all modern holsters are designed to cover the trigger to prevent negligent discharges. The second safest place for my handgun is in it's holster. Finally what kind of person, thinks it would be a good idea attempting to grab a pistol from someone and beating them with it because they are offended? I distrust the veracity of your whole story

" Shall not be infringed "

I'm not a hunting 'expert'. I'm just an experienced hunter, and an experienced bench and competitive shooter, and an experienced reloader. Phil Shoemaker is a hunting 'expert'. I found time to be on the internet over the past 40 years because I was on it before Al Gore invented it. I can also perform multiple tasks simultaneously. You can learn to do so as well. I suggest starting your education with a pack of chewing gum and a nice, long dock............

Hey Huntster, I see that you have 28,900+ Posts on here. How can a hunting 'expert' such as you find so much time to be on the internet?

Cite your sources. There was one situation where something he said was deliberately removed from context thus artificially creating a falsely damning appearance. Barring documentation / clear citation of your sources, I have to assume you are mistakenly regurgitating that old falsehood. MIB