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Thank you - although I was hoping to fly under the radar for a bit. Quite the big shoes to be following Tirademan's work in finding the old articles and Gigantor's work curating some of them.

I originally found the mask used in Sasquatch Ontario's 'The Face of Nef' photo, but now it looks like the exact same mask and photo were reused in a separate encounter. Sasquatch Ontario, ran by Mike Paterson, released two YouTube videos consecutively in May of 2023 claiming to show photos of an alleged Sasquatch named 'Nef'. • Video #1: 'Sasquatch Selfie', published May 6, 2023, featured a photo 'Nef' took of himself. The video explains that Mike was sitting at a table with Dwayne and showing him some images, when he noticed that one of them was actually a partial face shot of 'Nef' (photo #1). He also specified that this picture was taken on April 1, 2023. • Video #2: 'The Face of Nef', published May 27, 2023, featured a photo Dwayne took of 'Nef'. The video explains that Dwayne stepped outside, heard laughter, and photographed two photos of 'Nef' blindly (photo #2). He specified that these pictures were taken on December 27, 2019 and were sat on for a while. The videos 'Sasquatch Selfie' and 'The Face of Nef' are described by Mike as two entirely separate incidents. However, upon comparing the images in these two videos, I believe: • Both photos use the same mask, and • They may actually be the exact same photo, just cropped or resized. The biggest things that I've noticed are: • The two light reflection dots in the eyes are in the exact same spots. • The nose shape and angle are identical. • The eyes, brow ridge, and facial tilt match perfectly. • There’s no variation between the two images. Both photos share the exact same features, right down to the angle the face is at. There's virtually no difference. I've provided a comparison of the two photos (photo #3) as well as a gif comparison (photo #4) so you can see for yourselves. You may notice that the eye reflections are slightly larger in the 'Sasquatch Selfie' photo. I believe this is due to 'The Face of Nef' photo being cropped, as bright pixels like light reflections can appear bigger and blurrier when you resize a photo. Some might argue that similar lighting or facial features are to be expected, as it's alleged to be the same subject featured in both photos. However, that doesn’t explain the identical eye reflections, exact nose angle, and exact matching of the facial structure, which wouldn’t occur naturally across two separate incidents. Given the similarities, if 'The Face of Nef' photos are proven to be hoaxed, then by association, the 'Sasquatch Selfie' photo may be as well. If you have any questions, please let me know.

Clear water river, Bull lake, Libby dam, Yaak river Great trip thus far!

Actually. They've probably always been visiting here

That's their job, and despite my disbelief, I support them looking in to it. Zero. Nada. Zip. And it's their job, and I've stated on this forum a zillion times that they're failing..............or it's intentional. I believe the latter............. Yet we even have claims that such proof is in the hands of government. ..........or dangerous time. I say the latter, and as I posted in The Tar Pit:

I have no way of keeping him or them from rejoining. The amazing part is? If he or they just participated in the forum as a productive member? Who would be the wiser? The only person responsible for their bad behavior and banishment is the troll themselves. 🤷‍♂️

We have 8 pages of comments on this topic alone. We may not be what we once were but we are certainly far from being dead.

sorry to bump an old thread, but I found this video to be interesting and informative.

Sasquatch Ontario, ran by Mike Paterson, released a YouTube video two years ago titled 'The Face of Nef', which featured a photo he took of an alleged sasquatch. Here's the photo in question: Even though I believe this is an obvious hoax due to the static facial expressions and the features of the subjects having that cheap material quality to them that your average modern-day Halloween mask has, I still wasn't satisfied. I've actually been looking around for a while now and I'm almost positive I found the masks used in this photo. I managed to find this listing on Facebook Marketplace of a Halloween mask that looks exactly like the face of the subjects in the 'Face of Nef' photo. Here's the mask I found: Here's a comparison of the two: Additionally, this mask that I found appears that it was listed near Creemore, Ontario, the same province where Mike Paterson lives. I know the common consensus is that this photo was hoaxed, but I hope this helps to confirm it anyways.

Well written. I'm of the firm belief that life is the most precious gift in the universe.

Even if life abounds throughout the universe. It would still be the rarest of resources. Our pale blue dot, while visually inseparable from millions of other pale blue dots is emitting radio waves like a minor Pulsar. We would stand out like a sore thumb to some alien radio telescope. I would hope that the aliens , observing us through that radio telescope . Given that they possessed the means of interstellar flight would come here in the interest of discovery, science and the welcoming hand of peace and brotherhood of fellow living creatures. Or they would eat us.

I've never felt there has ever been any agenda on the BFF. If by agenda, you mean most on the BFF believe in Bigfoot that might be true. That doesn't make it an agenda more so than a reasonable demographic breakdown. I would expect most people who go to a Country Western bar tend to like country music. Makes sense. I would expect most who engage on the BFF are mostly believers (lean believer). Some are skeptics. The breakdown is unknown by me, but I would guess 80% of the posters on the BFF believe in Bigfoot or leaners, 20% being skeptic non-believers. This DOES NOT make it an agenda. An agenda might assume some master tenets about Bigfoot are the rule of the day. Anyone violating that dogma would be out the door. I don't see it. In my time here I don't think I have ever witnessed it. It is true reasonable rules apply to the BFF. For instance, it is forbidden to engage in politics or religion on the BFF. That is not different than topics off-limits at the typical Thanksgiving Dinner. This doesn't make it an agenda but guidelines of civility and keeping things on topic. Can you imagine in today's day and age if Politics alone were allowed to be mix in to the BFF conversations and threads? No thanks. There has correctly been rules and boundaries to skeptics and believer alike. For example: While most believe Bigfoot is thought to be some human like animal some might believe Bigfoot is an alien visitor for Mars. If they do, no one will stop them from expressing this idea. They would just be encouraged to take it to a thread specific to this idea. We have had a few posters who were not just skeptics but skeptics who were frankly borderline Trolls and troublemakers. I personally had no problem with these people even when we didn't agree so long as they were polite. I like opposition and discussion to keep our arguments and beliefs sharp and to challenge what we think we know. But it is NOT an agenda to ban such people when they just refused to operate under the rules. This doesn't mean an agenda banned their ideas. Had they followed civil conduct and the rules they would still be here. We should all seek quality not quantity. We should celebrate cleaning up the BFF. If you say, "there is an agenda", can you outline the specifics of this agenda?

In a similar vein, too sports sites that I follow which used to have vigorous discussions during every game and about every aspect of the teams are also vastly smaller now yet you get prompts to "follow" every single baseball player on X, Rumble, and those other platforms even if they hit less than Mario Mendoza. The Forums may have to change and even then may still get overtaken by the shift in communications preferences by different generations, as BackDoc pointed out. Interestingly, while I'm of the generation that first saw Bigfoot on In Search of and The Six Million Dollar Man, I lost all interest in it until the early 2010s. And even then my first reaction was, "this really can't still be a thing, can it?" So I agree that as us older folks move on, the Forums will likely shrink because younger folks aren't as interested and don't consume news the same way. Matt Moneymaker made a comment on a recent Bigfoot and Beyond podcast that younger researchers he has met haven't gone back any further than Finding Bigfoot. When he asks about John Green or Grover Krantz, he gets a blank stare and a "who is that?"

Dr. Squatch soap and deodorant are awesome! I think that the further the younger generation gets from their hunting roots and woodsmanship, the less they care about nature other than in a general, climate change way. The less one cares about nature, the less something like sasquatch comes up in their thoughts or cares. Because I am a hunter, have loads of woodsmanship, am very old and spend a lot of time in nature, sasquatches are important to me.

It's good to hear a lot of people posting on this topic, and it seems like we all agree that the Bigfoot Forum has lost a little energy. It's really encouraging to see that we have pages of replies on this topic so maybe the Bigfoot forum will remain alive for quite a while longer. I originally became interested in Bigfoot around 1980 after I had a midnight sighting while we're camped out under the stars up by Prospect Oregon on a wood cutting trip. At the time Bigfoot was not on my radar and what I saw was thought to be a big black bear looking at us while we were sleeping out but later I realized that whatever was looking at us did not have pronounced fuzzy ears, and it had a flat face and cone shaped head so I finally decided it was a Bigfoot. This incident got me started in Bigfoot research and I began to visit various spots in Southwest Oregon and visited deserted campgrounds at night and had some spooky experiences. I stopped going out and researching as much as I used to because at a couple of different areas I got tangled up in the woo and it was so confusing that I just decided I wouldn't pursue the study of Bigfoot for a while. Well, I kind of missed the subject, and I decided to get back on Bigfoot Forum and at least have interaction with other people. I'm 77 years old and will be 78 August 1st and I might start doing more field research. I have found some really out of the way campgrounds that are close to Coquille, Oregon, that are right in the middle of what I consider to be a Bigfoot territory. Anyway, if there are people that would like to come to southern Oregon and camp out in a primitive campground then maybe we can get this expedition going for 10 people who qualify and agree to meet in Coos Bay, Oregon where my wife and I live. We will meet at my home, for two days then head about 40 miles east to the mountains north of Coquille, Oregon for a primitive campout under the stars on tarps, or in tents or in trailers 16' or under. We will attract bigfoots into out campground and not hunt for them. This needs to happen before the middle of September before deer season. I don't use drugs and moderately drink so keep this in mind. If interested email me at gmcnair800@ gmail.com

That's the problem with the younger generation - too lazy to get out of bed and chase down a bear; have to wait for the bear to come to them! (It's an attempt at humor, people!)

I will bump this again. As it got no response. How is it we have leaked aerial FLIR footage of an alleged Sasquatch? Has any government entity came out with details? This is rather germane to the topic at hand. And it’s rather similar to what’s happening in the other mystery field that shall remain nameless. Because I don’t want to derail the topic again.

^^^ Not a radio-astronomer, but I read somewhere recently that radio and television waves degrade significantly with distance. At one light-year, they're 1/2 strength, at 2 light years, 1/4 strength, and so forth to the point where at any likely distance that there is other intelligent life, our TV and radio signals are indistinguishable from background noises. Thus, it is unlikely that the Thermians are watching reruns of Gilligan's Island and thinking that it's Earth's cultural history. Even if a species were flying by in an advanced spacecraft, would they bother to stop? On a hike, do we stop at every anthill and try to communicate? Unfortunately, I think its far more likely that they would strip mine the planet or demolish it to make way for an intergalactic on-ramp (and no, I didn't find that book particularly funny).

This forum highlights additional or lost historical newspaper articles about Bigfoot, Sasquatch, wild men, wild women, and other hairy bipedal beasts. Former Bigfoot Forums member Tirademan (Scott McClean, RIP) originally posted his collection of newspaper articles in the Bigfoot Forums 1.0 Media - News & Magazine Articles subforum, which is archived at https://bigfootforums.com/topic/15747-amazing-historical-archives-found/. The newspaper articles referenced in that thread are generally no longer visible, except for those saved by Gigantor in Tirademan’s Historical Newspaper Archives at https://bigfootforums.com/forum/130-tirademans-historical-newspaper-archives/. Other newspaper articles which Tirademan posted are scattered, and buried, throughout different threads in the forums. This forum is an effort to consolidate and add to Tirademan’s prior work, thus providing additional reference material for members of the Bigfoot Forums. To that end, * Historical newspaper articles already included Tirademan’s Historical Newspaper Archives will not be duplicated here. * Historical newspaper articles that can reasonably be identified as having been posted in Bigfoot Forums 1.0 Media - News & Magazine Articles will be labeled as Tirademan’s articles. * If historical newspaper articles are referenced in published books (e.g., Bigfoot in New York and New England; The Bigfoot Casebook), that book will be noted if I’m aware of the book. * Every single historical newspaper article about a single incident may not be published. Some incidents, like the great Doerr Terrace gorilla hunt, generated tremendous coverage throughout a single state or wider; many newspaper articles are merely shortened versions of an original article. Other articles are so short and vague as to be worthless as traditionary evidence. * This forum will be tightly controlled. If you know of historical newspaper articles which might exist, or which were buried in other threads, feel free to send me a message or to list the request under this post. Researchers who are interested in finding historical news reports can use https://www.newspapers.com/ or http://www.newspaperarchive.com/, both of which may require a subscription.

Test Post. Note that the wild man was not riding a hedgehog, "Hedgehog" was a local name for some geographic feature that "everyone" in town knew.

Since deep space travel for physical/biological entities would require time travel, this is a very valid possibility.

I watched that video this morning with my son. Was going to post it on the forum also. Crazy stuff

Believing is fun, and there's nothing wrong with it. But there's no proof of intelligent life on other planets. It's that simple. That written, I believe that it's possible, but I do not believe that they are visiting us in physical vehicles. Noting your point (which is essentially the Drake Equation written in a different form), we know that sasquatch type creatures existed in the past. We have fossils. It is scientifically established. What we don't have is (1) fossils dated recently, as in a few hundred years, and (2) such fossils found in North America. That's the only proof of sasquatch that is lacking with regard to the current sasquatch phenomenon.

This is the Hubble ultra deep field photograph. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The original NASA release, containing about 10,000 galaxies of various ages, sizes, shapes, and colors. The smallest, reddest ones are some of the most distant galaxies to have been imaged by an optical telescope, probably existing shortly after the Big Bang. Hubble Deep UV (HDUV) Legacy Survey; 15k galaxies, released August 16, 2018 ABYSS WFC3/IR Hubble Ultra Deep Field; released January 24, 2019 The Hubble Ultra-Deep Field (HUDF) is a deep-field image of a small region of space in the constellation Fornax, containing an estimated 10,000 galaxies. The original data for the image was collected by the Hubble Space Telescope from September 2003 to January 2004 and the first version of the image was released on March 9, 2004.[1] It includes light from galaxies that existed about 13 billion years ago, some 400 to 800 million years after the Big Bang. The HUDF image was taken in a section of the sky with a low density of bright stars in the near-field, allowing much better viewing of dimmer, more distant objects. Located southwest of Orion in the southern-hemisphere constellation Fornax, the rectangular image is 2.4 arcminutes to an edge,[2] or 3.4 arcminutes diagonally. This covers a section of the sky comparable to a tennis ball at one hundred meters. In that small section are at least 10,000 galaxies. Each with at least a million Suns. Each sun has planets orbiting them in the billions. So remember. With all those expected planets in that tiny section of the sky. Add in the rest of even just the half of the sky you can observe from your location. You really believe there couldn't be aliens observing and visiting us?

Dear BFF Members, I want to take a moment to share some personal news with all of you. As many of you know, managing the forum and ensuring its continued growth and vibrancy has been a true labor of love for me. However, as my schedule and commitments have changed, I find that I no longer have the time and energy that this community truly deserves. It is with both a sense of pride and gratitude that I announce I am stepping aside as director of the Bigfoot Forums. But fear not, as I’m excited to introduce the new director who will be taking the reins – Norseman! Norseman has been an active and thoughtful member of this community for a long time. He brings a wealth of knowledge, a deep passion for Bigfoot, and a strong commitment to maintaining the welcoming and respectful atmosphere that has made this forum a special place for all of us. I am confident that under his leadership, the Bigfoot Forums will continue to thrive and grow, providing a platform for all of us to share our stories, theories, and experiences. I want to extend my heartfelt thanks to each and every one of you for making this community what it is today. It has been an honor to serve as your director, and I look forward to continuing to be a part of this journey, just in a different capacity. Please join me in welcoming Norseman to his new role. I know you’ll all offer him the same support and camaraderie that you’ve always shown me. Warm regards, Gigantor Outgoing Director, Bigfoot Forums

Hmmm. It always come back to Theodore Roosevelt. Now I'll be binge listening to the Bauman incident tonight.....Again

That mask looks identical to the 'face' in the pics!

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YOU MANIACS, YOU BLEW IT ALL TO HELL I'm sure if a prospective contributor would first do a historical review of BFF before joining, they'd find the same proof of mass banishment's with the aftermath being a select few that are left here to grouse and argue over the same old issues. No, they wouldn't bother registering just to be in the company of a clique. reminds me of Charlton Heston in the last scene of Planet of the Apes https://youtu.be/gf4WhCe9Ey4?si=blM3r7C26m7M9Zyu

NorCal, while I agree that this could have gone with the earlier thread, this is a different topic. The first thread showed two (clearly static) photos from one video posted on a YouTube channel concerning a claimed encounter in May 2023. This newer thread compares the mask used to apparently fake a Bigfoot encounter that reportedly happened 3 weeks before the photos that were the topic of LGC's first thread.

Good job with the comparison

I found this sasquatch or rock on google maps. I'll post the image and coordinates. Anyone have any idea? Thanks.

I think you cracked the case .

Are you aware of the concept of pareidolia?

I have another Google maps possible sasquatch image or rocks. Imo there are 3 sasquatch. Their backs look primate. Then again, they may be big rocks. Any idea? Thanks.

And one of the mid-era greats. It would be most interesting to have a few beers with the guy and see how he feels now.

Welcome to the forums, Adam.

I will say I have not had any Bigfoot experience personally. My guess is such an experience would be life-changing to those who have. They might report it or not, but I have to think someone having such an experience is changed forever. I agree as you say Bigfoot has become a cultural thing. Who knows if this is a good thing or a bad thing. I don't know if my childhood was typical but most of us who grew up back in the day (I was born in 1966) grew up with 3 channels on TV to watch. If the Wizard of Oz was on you watched it that night or you couldn't see it again for another year. Assuming 1/3rd of the country (3 channels to watch) was watching that means millions all shared the same basic experiences then. There were a lot fewer things competing for our time. I have to think for those who grew up then they all had a similar view of Bigfoot. I always felt then Bigfoot or the Yeti was always presented as a real creature. It seems to me the feeling was more of a universal understanding because the few outlets presenting Bigfoot as a topic (Peter Graves) made the argument to say Bigfoot DOES exist vs DOESN'T exist. The internet and media are now like McDonalds. There used to be only a few items to choose from. Now they try to offer everything.

It is an interesting question. Nuanced. I think you have to separate those with a general interest from those with a specific interest stemming from some kind of personal experience. I think what you're talking about is those with general interest, not those with experience. Unfortunately, the waters are muddied today by bigfoot becoming a sort of cultural "thing". A lot of people are aware of the notion of bigfoot now who don't have much interest, don't pay the topic much mind. That wouldn't have been true in Oct '67, for example. MIB

Interest in Bigfoot... Demographics? How much is the topic of Bigfoot of interest in various generations? Does this explain any dip in BFF activity? Most people around my age group (59 years old) got their Bigfoot interest by movies like Boggy Creek or especially Peter Graves The Mysterious Monsters show. It was in the Peter Graves show where most saw the PGF for the first time. Once you left the theaters, you were done seeing the PGF. The only time you saw the PGF again would be a book or two you could buy or rent at the library. Even then, the only thing you got in such as book was a still shot of Patty on the famous look back. In the 1980s those of us who rented VCR tapes (and for a while VCR's themselves) could for the first time rent a video about Bigfoot. For the first time we could not only watch the PGF multiple times but could also freeze frame, slow it down, and run it back and forth. About the time of serious home computers of the 2000's some researchers were able to take the PGF and stabilize it. Then, two things happened. 1) Discovery channel type shows started having Bigfoot TV shows on. Unlike the ugly 1970's these shows where clean, well-produced with good sold fair scientific discussion about the subject. 2) The internet created discussion boards as well as YouTube which allowed further video access to the PGF subject. As long as these generations feels interested in Bigfoot they will continue to consume the Bigfoot subject with TV Ratings and other activity. This would apply to activity on the BFF. Yet, the next thing to happen may be two-fold. 1) The older generation feels tapped out about Bigfoot. They studied it to death and now they either accept it or reject it. They then move on to other interests or things that effect their life now (grandkids, a reverse mortgage ad, or arguing politics on the internet) 2) The young generation quickly considered the subject based on what they are exposed to (Finding Bigfoot, American Paranormal - Bigfoot, and so on) The hear people like Jeff Meldrum on TV and are much more likely to give him consideration in his opinions and are willing to challenge the old guard. To some young person they couldn't imagine someone like Meldrum would be taking a risk even talking about Bigfoot. The younger generation has less bigfoot concerns because they are focused on many of the issues they care about. Being more open minded they might be more inclined to believe in Bigfoot but then move right off of it because once they accept it, they don't need/care to study it further. It's just a given and they move on. They watch a Messin' with Sasquatch commercial and think Bigfoot or something like him is probably out there. They laugh and move on. As far as the BFF I have to think the population itself as seen a shift. The number of people who grew up (8 track tape generation and older) have sustained or died off. The younger generation replacing them might not have a deeper interest in Bigfoot since it didn't make up a big part of what they grew up with. In that way, I wonder if we get less interest in the BFF based on fewer being passionately interested in Bigfoot. I think the BFF probably skews older like me who grew up with less tings competing for our attention. One Bigfoot movie (Peter Graves) or some book in elementary school would be more likely to have a deeper impact on us. If the BFF is down, it actually makes sense. A downturn is probably expected no different than Car Shows, Cruise Nights, or Baseball Collections. I wonder if increasing BFF activity means reaching those older 50+ somethings who are -to my thinking- a lot more likely to have the interests in Bigfoot in the first place. Other than that, I have to think only newsworthy Bigfoot events would drive further interest. As we all know, there hasn't been another PGF in 50 + years.

I've thought of mentioning the BFF on the Facebook groups more often, but then I really don't want to be the one that inspires a bunch trolls to enlist here with their "they simply can't exist and you're either crazy or drunk if you think any of these reports are real, no matter what you think you saw" style or attitude...since those folks tend to drag down every thread they join with their insistent denial and defamation of any with perspectives that differ from their own....

That polar bear darting is one context where you won't be following your subject around asking for your dart back! "Hey! Yeah, you, Bear! Gimme that back! ...oh dang...."

Welcome back. I remember you though I don't know if it was from after I joined or from the few years that I lurked first. I think continuity with older times is as important as new blood .. can save a lot of unnecessary wheel spinning if we remember what has already been done. MIB

Why do you say that? And do you disagree with my post at all?

Probably the appraised auction value like with antiques because of all the fossils we have here we call members, speaking for myself in the antiquarian sense too

I was a pretty prolific member for a while. I still check in semi-regularly, but don’t feel the desire to post much anymore. For me, it’s the overwhelming negativity on a topic that is supposed to be enjoyable. The overall Bigfoot community is growing larger every day, but it’s also becoming more fragmented every day as well. Even this thread, which is about why is the forum dying, is filled with complaints about pretty much everything under the Sasquatch sun. TV shows, YouTube, rehashed topics, etc. Everyone has their own likes and dislikes, but there is a constant complaining that permeates the Bigfoot community that often turns into outright hostility when what are relatively minor differences arise. People who believe or have an interest in Bigfoot should have a great deal in common, but instead those minor differences of opinion cause a lot of discord. Don’t like Mountain Monsters or Expedition Bigfoot? Don’t watch it. However, shows like that plant a seed of interest in a new generation, insuring that there is a fresh crop of enthusiasts who will hopefully carry on the search. TV executives don’t really make shows geared towards real life Bigfoot researchers. Maybe just be glad that the subject has enough mainstream acceptance to make its way onto television in any form? Tired of a topic that (for you) has been beaten to death? Scroll past it. Are you a flesh and blood proponent irritated by the Woo? Are you a Woo supporter who hates the Apers? Well, at the end of the day you both have more on common with one another than you would have with a skeptic. Not to mention that we are dealing with almost zero proven facts about the phenomenon, so you both have a good chance at being somewhat correct. A lot of the members here want a more active forum, with more active participants. You can’t have that with multiple filters put into place. Anyway, I would like to see the forum become more active again. But, to do that you need new members who stick around. They need to enjoy the place to do that. Maybe start there?

Thank you for everything you have done Gigantor! 👏🏻 I have a lot to learn, but this place holds a special place in my heart and I will do my best to keep its legacy going! Incorrigible has taken over the SC chair position from me. Thank you! 👏🏻 Cheers to the BFF!🥂

10mm carbine!