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Thanks for the video - it led me to this: Note all the pawing and how it gets up.

I'm still registered and I was there. One explanation was that the hoofprints in the middle of the impression were there but sank in the mud. The tendon of Achilles was just slumped in mud. I found those answers......muddy.....and I never got a blow by blow, a graphic or a reasonable explanation of how this could be accomplished. Color me dense, but this from a former teacher? DDA wasn't there to take him on but he sure did on BFF1. It's generally accepted that elk and other ungulates don't need to get their legs under them in order to get up? Huh? I don't think I'm the only one who thinks there should be hoofprints where I seem to think they should be. Should I post Dr. Meldrum's "cartoon"? Do we have videos of elk and other ungulates getting up in some unusual way? LTK had a good video of an elk rolling out of a puddle but it still had to gather its legs under itself in order to stand. What other way or ways are there to do it?

Yes, the interactive fossil map above shows the "Legendary Bigfoot" sort of near Mt. St. Helens and NW of Sam Hill's non-functional Stonehenge. They're there, folks, they're there! But seriously, most sightings in Washington State are in and around the west slope of the Cascades - wet, acid soils. Nothing lasts long in them. Great Ape fossils are extremely rare because of their habitat. There was a prmate tooth or two found in the John Day Fossil Beds in Oregon. Unfortunately the fossils date to 25 mya. That's a bit old for the Pleistocene.

I have a question. Since we bipedal humans have also managed to find a way to exist in all of these areas, what does our fossil record look like? I find it sort of funny that we have made it all around the planet on our two legs, but it's not possible for an 8-footer to do the same? As to dead bodies, who says's no one has found a dead body? What you're REALLY asking is why someone hasn't found a dead body, recognized it for what it was (regardless of decomposition and scavenging), and then had the wherewithal to drag it out of the woods. I'd imagine someone, sometime, HAS come across a maggot-filled pile of black fur and said, "That's weird." and kept on moving. Also, what I saw was way too small to be a person in a suit, arms pumping, and I almost hit it at 55mph. Not much chance of misidentification, which IS a red herring. People don't invent a "nonexistent" animal in their brains to account for a known one or a fur blur. I saw a "Jawa" as that was the peg that fit the hole. My brain picked the thing that most resembled what I saw in the brief milliseconds it was in my headlights. I didn't say I saw a small bigfoot (as I'd never seen one of those), and was also in North Carolina, so like most probably didn't picture bigfoot being there. I even chalked it up to seeing things to satisfy myself and kept driving for 3 more hours until the sun came up! But it never felt like anything other than a deer jumping in front of my car, which I had happen several times in Wisconsin. Then there's those countless other's stories from across time with endless details to think about too. Ben's a nice guy, but when I showed him several old detailed newspaper stories, he glanced at them and said they were probably 1800s fiction. Obviously sasquatch are smart and avoid humans when possible, but we don't try too hard either! Not much money out there looking. tirademan

I'm with the researchers who found and cast the impression and the scientists who examined it. I read all of desertyeti's posts concerning the cast on two forums and while he supplied a technical explanation of how elk in general get up he never really answered the question of how that particular elk got out of the impression without messing it up. He too seemed to think it's amazing what an animal can do but didn't explain the mechanics. I think it was stated there were hoofprints in the right places but they vanish in the mud. He's an ichnologist working in industry, BTW, after three years of teaching at Northeastern in Chicago. I have three hardcover copies of Jeff's book, one Google eBook, LMS on tape and DVD, Chris Murphy's Meet the Sasquatch, Rick Noll's presentation at WCS 2003 on DVD and memories of a phone conversation with Jimmy Chilcutt. I don't know if Dr, Wroblewski's paper was ever published but I don't have that. These are what he examined and photographed - not the original: The copies were made by artists in B.C. and do not have the surface detail of the original cast. There were peels made of some of that. There are pictures in Jeff's book that show the hair flow is wrong for an elk. Expedition members hoped to get clear footprints in the muddy area. There were several spots where they left fruit. Sometime after the members retired to their tents for the night something got the fruit. After a vocalization that outblasted the call blaster the night before, possible prints and tree breakage that didn't seem to be due to weather, a recent face to face encounter with a retired wildlife officer and a long history of sightings and other events in the county I'd say it's possible there was a sasquatch in the area and it took the fruit but I don't think it would be easy to bait one with apples in a mudhole. Apparently someone has tried it in the same location since without success. George Schaller is quite familiar with ungulates as well as gorillas in Africa and did not think an ungulate could have made the impression. Hoax was ruled out too. See the chapter in Dr. Meldrum's book.

Are you serious? I lived in a county where sightings were almost common. It was kind of accepted that "We know they're out there but they're not bothering anybody, so............" Nobody panicked. I think some people were kind of embarrassed, though.

Gorillas were thought to be a native myth until they were "discovered" by western science. More on the fossilized chimpanzee teeth: "Three teeth—a molar and two incisors—likely came from the same individual, a chimpanzee living about 545,000 years ago. "The information is straightforward and very compelling," said William Sanders, a paleontologist at the University of Michigan's Museum of Paleontology. "It would be great to have more." "As tantalizing as it is, it's really frustrating because it shows us how poor the chimpanzee fossil record is," he said." http://news.national...himp_teeth.html