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Obviously so, but sometimes we all miss the obvious too. There are times I wish that this site gave the option to click on a -1 for people's posts. Patty we get that you are a strong person but you don't have to be rude to be tough. Consider lightening up and relaxing a little. These are good people here so why not enjoy them.

Thanks for the photos & background information. Just a few comments, opinions and a couple of questionsif you don't mind. I am nearly certain that all of the trees shown in photos 1,2,3,4 & 5 are black cherry trees. Your initial posts stated that you found the broken limbs somewhere between the first of August to about mid September. Here that would be about the time that Black Cherries are ripe. I am certain that black bear climb those trees, break off fruit laden limb and throw them to the groud. They will then come down, pull the limbs around them, set on their butts and eat all the fruit they want, leaving the rest to be eaten by coyotes. On those trees, it is nearly always possible to determine that bears were responsible because of their claw marks left on the tree trunks and their track around the base of the trees. Photos 11 & 12 appear to clearly show cherries in the bare-ground tracks or impressions. Having said that, I will state that in the Ouachita Mountains where those broken fruit-laden limbs have been seen many times piled around the trees, in some cases there was no evidence that a bear had climbed the trees, but there were what appeared to be large sections of the somewhat fragile and curled outer bark that had been compressed and broken as if the tree had been climbed by someone or something with hands instead of claws. In both cases, there was clear evidence that something large had sat and and moved its sitting location a few times, leaving bare compressed areas of ground where its butt twisted around while gathering a another "helping" of cherries. It should be noted that in this area it was found that some of the larger trees had been subjected to the same damages for two to four years. At times so many of the limbs were broken that the trees died. My only questions are: Had you noticed the broken Black Cheery limbs during more than one year? Did you look at the tree bark for bear claw markings? (I know you said there were no black bear in your area; but they are spreading all over the country since those State restocking programs started many years ago.) This State was called "The Bear State" originally. By the 40's, they were about all gone. After the restocking program started in the late 50's/early 60's, we have a LOT of the things now.

RRS One thing I've learned about both the PGF and the bigfoot issue overall is that just when you think you've got it all figured out, something throws a detour in front of your train of thought. So the DNA thing could be contentious enough to lead to more arguing instead of more conclusions. We can't say until it's out, but just from my PGF adventures, I've been thrown a few curveballs myself by the investigation. So while I have hopes the DNA thing will be a breakthrough in advancing scientific consideration of the issue, it wouldn't surprize me if it just makes things messier and more argumentative. There's more I can't say (about the thread topic)until the stuff comes out, and I will be real curious to see if things work out as my expectations currently predict. Bill

RRS: Long time since we chatted. Hope you are well. I personally don't see any DNA thing with a humanistic lean being a problem, because I never looked at the PGF "Patty" as being an ape. I used to compare the head shape to OH5 (Boisei), and the legs and crural index to Neanderthal, so if the DNA thing plays out as the rumors seem to indicate, I don't see any conflict with the PGF. But for all the other stuff, the foot stuff, etc. I don't know how that'll wash out. But I really look forward to seeing how it all ends up (the DNA thing). And I do think that for the number of people involved and the effort described, that there is some substance to it. I doubt any kind of dud could get this far without falling apart. Bill

A more human bigfoot would not be a recent innovation ..From the point of view of Native American traditions the "ape" thing is just a blip on the screen of it's ongoing history...