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Thanks Rick.

JackiLB, the thing you must know is that hoaxers hurt any of us that have had experiences and have tried to get the truth out. I have been ridiculed and I have had people make fun of the fact I have had experiences and I work with researchers on a daily basis. I have good friends that have caught a lot of flack for being involved and every time there is a hoax revealed, it makes those of us with real encounters look bad. I have "skin in the game" from that perspective. Oh, and I sholuld mention.....I have met and consider myself friends with Christopher Noel. I have no reason to doubt he has seen something, but that does not mean I still don't trust RD. KB

Many of the comments made about "habituators" sound like sour grapes to me. For that matter, a good part of the negativity in the BF discussion come across as envy. " If it were me, I'd bla bla bla".

Constructive and worthwhile ? We're 61 pages into a thread regarding a known hoaxer and you're sarcastic to me with regards to " constructive comments " ? Bwah, don't make me laugh. 70, I take it back, we are 70 pages into the thread. Shocking.

Tried to plus, but am out of plusses for the day!!!!!!!

Certain yogis were able to be in two places at once. And humans have been known to "mindspeak" to each other. I was in a room once with two friends (and many other people), when one of the friends suddenly said to the other, "[X], get out of my head!!!" There are sooooo many stories of spiritual masters who could/can do everything the BF do. We just got it trained/shamed out of us. They didn't. That's what I think, anyway.

Been out a couple of days with a sick kid, so it took a while to get caught up and wanted to add a couple of thoughts. I don't have a stake in this either way, but here's my .02 cents. "John, I think "character" is a kind of fiction we invented to feel safer. I think everybody's character can change in an instant. What do we say when the guy who's been toe-ing the line for millions of years suddenly snaps and does something we don't like? Or when someone who's been horrible in the past does something good?" Leaftalker, your post brings up an excellent point, and one which is central to these kinds of discussions. It's a little like the standard disclaimers one sees on a stock fund, the old "past performance is not an indicator of future performance." And while I agree with others here that a persons character is often defined by their past, it is not outside the realm of possibility that someone of good character could do something wrong or, and more important to this discussion, someone of poor character could do something right. I'm certainly not defending RD, nor am I judging him, it just seems to me that any judgement of character needs to be tempered. "Well...Let's break this down...What are the ODDS of capturing a BF and it's DYER who is the one responsible! In all the 15000 history of this creature we have NOTHING..BUBKISS..NADA as far as a body or any remains. Then along comes a known HOAXER and con man...low and behold HE's THE ONE person on this ENTIRE PLANET to accomplish what NO HUMAN BEING has been able to do (and this includes just finding body parts and bones!). Yep...Dyer has the magic touch...the RIBS did it..yeah that's it! LOL." "Whether we call them coincidences, synchronicities, or ironies, however, these occurrences are much more common than most people realize." - John Allen Paulos. If you base the statistical probability on whether a certain individual has an experience or whether a certain experience is had by an indivual yields two very different outcomes. Irony and coincidence is much more mundane than most people realize so it is not statistically improbable that he could have had this experience. Put all the people like him out there looking for this thing and it could probably happen to one of them. Again, and more emphatically this time, I don't have a stake on this whole RD thing one way or the other. Personally, I think it's a hoax until I see an analysis from an accredited university, but dismissing it simply because the "odds" are against it may not be the best arguement. And one final thought, with all the discussion of the integrity of Minnow and whether they would knowingly film a hoax as a kind of counterpoint, there seems to me to be a third possibility. That Minnow, after being around RD recognized the impact of filming the result of a BF hoax. It could be called legitimate, and we would all be unwitting players in this real documentary of what transpires. Just some thoughts.