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For what it is worth. The situation I have at 2 locations is more of mutual encounters of respect more than what the term "habituation" defines. I have had them come into my camp, and make their presence known by tossing rocks at the camper, knocking on trees in camp, grunts and mumble talking sounds etc. We also have them leave little gifts such as pretty rocks left in certain areas such as inside coolers, or the outdoor storage bin of the campers. We have then come around often and just walk around outside of the light of camp. We do see them occasionally in glimpses and last year my wife had one look around a tree at her 50 feet away in the daytime. Another location has been active for better than 20 years with slightly less "friendly" encounters and my son was actually chased by one, but I must emphasize it would have caught him if it had wanted too. it was that close. BUT that situation was because there was a female and a smaller juvenile together and my son had a shotgun in his hands at the time. He was checking out noises and grunts close to our camp and go too close. I also can say here the true "habituators" I know and are friends with, DO have photos and videos and some are VERY good ones and totally convincing. The fact is they and other friends I have already know they are real and do not try and prove them and don't want potential threatening people around so they do not get posted anywhere. Why should they? There is absolutely no reason in there minds to try and convince anyone. You all can see in just this forum how completely emotional this topic is. Considering nothing but bad will come out of posting or showing pics for the true habituators, I completely understand. Thusly, some very good and wonderful people get labeled nasty names because they think they are nuts. Maybe some people are, but my friends have opened up to me and let me see inside their world of habituation and I can honestly say with all sincerity, it has helped change my life and it is simply amazing. KB