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I would not trust Cliffs analysis to rule out anything if the level of objectivity displayed on Finding Bigfoot is any indication. To support your theory an active cover-up would be necessary. What would the gubmint do if one of the folks on any one of dozens ( possibly hundreds) of BF expeditions that occur monthly or even weekly were to bring in the goods? What then? To truly keep BF secret the gubmint would be suppressing BF research groups and televised BF hunting shows. Otherwise they are going to have to deal with containing a discovery. Something that in todays technological age would probably be pretty hard to do. If BF exists, then no I do not think the government would necessarily know about it.

A while back I offered the opinion that bigfoot are the (surviving) megafauna member of the hominid family. We've also discussed how hominid lung capacity increases with height and ribcage depth such that a human with a six inch longer torso has the advantage of better than a 50% increase in lung tidal volume. I've also been noting with interest the increasing number of reported finds of submerged ice age settlements around the world. Along with this, the recent discussion of large skeletons found in Midwestern mounds during the 1800's has set me to musing. My intent here is to make as few assertions as possible. What I want to do is throw out some raw thoughts and opinions and seek opinions from other members regarding their perceptions. I've seen both bigfoot (in and near the Sierras) and large skeletons (of the Si-Teh-Cah on display in the Mark Twain Museum in the late 60's and 70's). They did not appear to be the same species. The Si-Teh-Cah skeletons, though tall, were not as robust or barrel-chested as the bigfoot I have observed. I find it difficult to correlate them to the same species. In addition, the Si-Teh-Cah skeletons were displayed with artifacts from the cave in which they were discovered (not the Lovelock Cave in this case, but from a cave near Walker Lake, about 100 miles South of Lovelock). The artifacts included stone implements, atlatls, and rough textiles (similar in appearance to poor quality burlap). So I do not believe that bigfoot and the race that produced the large skeletons found in Nevada or in the Midwestern mounds are the same species. They seemed to me to be both physically and culturally different. I do believe that the Si-Teh-Cah and the skeletons from the mounds are from the same race. If not, then there would have to be two such races, and that is too much of a stretch for me. So why would two species of hominid, both larger than modern humans evolve? And why would one apparently survive to this day, while the other has apparently gone extinct? So some speculation. I think it is reasonable to say that both species existed and possibly arose during the last ice age. What about the conditions then might have supported the larger size as an advantage, but also made it possible for large size to be achieved? Then what difference between the two large hominid species that made the difference in their fates? It must all come down to science in the end, so I got to looking at the environmental factors. I think it's all about oxygen. During the ice age, sea levels were estimated to be 400 feet lower. At sea level, the air pressure is greater, which means that there are more oxygen atoms packed into every liter of air that you breathe. Now take this four hundred feet lower than today's sea level. The concentration of oxygen would be even denser (footnote: the graph showing the relationship between air pressure and altitude is not linear, it has a shallow slope at high elevations and a steep slope at low elevations, meaning that the lower you go, the faster air pressure increases). Now on top of this, the air was cooler on the average back then. Cooler air is also denser than warmer air. This provides a second effect that would increase the density of air and increase the concentration of oxygen in the air. We should also take into account that the air pressure vs. altitude graph we use today is based on temperatures common today. I'm not sure how the graph would look exactly if calculated using lower temperatures, but cooler, denser air suggests that the slope would approach the vertical even faster than it does at today's temperatures. There is a possible third effect, but I haven't had the chance to explore it yet. Nitrogen is lighter than oxygen, weighing seven eighths as much as oxygen. We all know that the ratio of oxygen to nitrogen in the air at sea level today is 21% oxygen and 78% nitrogen, but would it be the same at air pressures and densities caused by 400 foot lower elevations and ice age temperatures? Probably not. The lighter nitrogen would probably have a lower percentage than 78%, and the heavier oxygen would probably have a higher percentage than 21%. So three different effects would lead toward more oxygen available in every breath, all day long for hominids living back then, throughout their entire lives. So what effect would this have? I recall having once heard, and haven't yet verified, that Jacques Cousteau once cut himself to the bone while living in an underwater habitat and that the wound healed in an astonishingly short amount of time because of the increased air pressure and oxygen concentration in the habitat. So I decided to look into Hyperbaric medicine to see if this might be true. I found that hyperbaric medicine (placing people in pressurized capsules with high oxygen concentrations) is now routinely used to treat burns and to treat necrotizing fasciitis (flesh eating bacteria), so whether or not the Cousteau story is true, there does appear to be some benefit associated with increased oxygen pressure and healing. I also found that at Wake Forest University they are exploring the use of hyperbaric treatments to increase health and longevity. They claim that increased oxygenation improves both the health and function of stem cells, allowing them to keep the body healthier and make it more resistant to disease. They believe that by placing people in a hyperbaric chamber a few hours a week at pressures 66% higher than normal they might be able to live as long as 120 or 130 years. Wow, right? But think of this. During the ice age people lived in what may have been fifteen to twenty percent higher oxygen concentrations their entire lives. What does that mean? Here come the maybe's. Maybe the evolution of megafauna wasn't simply because bigger bodies (higher body volume to body surface ratio) made it easier to conserve heat. This may have helped from a natural selection process, but perhaps healthier and better functioning stem cells made it biologically possible to grow larger. Maybe, this mechanism led to the evolution of robust hominids the size of bigfoot. Maybe this mechanism led to the evolution of a taller, less robust, race of people like the Si-Teh-Cah. Maybe the larger lung capacity of the bigfoot was sufficient to sustain their modern size and mass (heck, for all we know they were once twelve feet tall, for all we know some still are based on reports, and some do believe that the average size of the local bigfoot is smaller the further South you go). Maybe, the Si-Teh-Cah, even with larger lung capacity than a modern human, simply didn't have enough capacity to sustain the size and health of their larger, but less robust, bodies without the benefit of denser oxygen concentrations. And maybe there's something to the lore about long-lived standard sized humans. Living at ice age sea level, but in warmer regions, perhaps they did live for hundreds of years due to better oxygenation and healthier stem cell function.

Hello All, Let me start this off by saying that for the first time I'm going to be going out and seriously look for Sasquatch. I have a place in mind that has been active in the past but only very sporadically. And therein lies the problem. I've paid close attention in my short in my meager 7 months on this Forum to everything pertaining to what folks do. Much in the way of advice has been spread around and it all seems good but I haven't really noticed a real planned-out approach for the follow through. Like I said the area I'm looking at seems to be the likliest place for an encounter although it's been a long stretch of time since anything has come out of the location which is in Maine up near the Canadian border. I'll be going with my two thirty-something Sons who have been good enough to humor their dear old dottering Dad by saying they will go along for the hiking adventure and to see the process. What process? is what I'm thinking now. If you were in my shoes what would be going through your mind? We here on the Forum have read all kinds of methods, some good some not, some cheap others quite expensive. None of us are hunters. Both Sons are physically active with surfing and ice climbing as pursuits along with other activities like kayaking and so forth. So if you've never "gone Squatchin' " how would YOU begin? I've been getting ideas together but I was curious what you would do if all of a sudden, after doing nothing regarding the subject except perhaps camping or hiking, You suddenly got the bug to try a serious investigation. How would you begin it? If you've never done it and this thread gets your thinking to then maybe it could be a good place to talk over some things to get going and then update each other for encouragement and maybe include some anecdotes on our efforts. Unless you're not tired of waiting around for an answer to the mystery to come from someone else yet. If you read that last line as a challenge then you would be correct. C'mon, it could be a rewardng endeavor on many levels. Especially if we can exchange information on our adventures. Small excursions, road trips, short hikes, going somewhere new and talking toi the gas station folks, etc. I know for me, now that I've made the decision to go, it's become some to look forward to doing in any capacity. It has to be reasonably cheap though which also means low tech. After all, I'll be footing the bill for me AND my Sons........ and they eat like HORSES! LOL.

First response has just come in tonight from Conservation Northwest, which out of all the PNW remote camera network monitoring groups I have showcased, has been at it the longest. Included are my first inquiry, their response, and my response in return... An interesting question for members of the Conservation Northwest. Have any of the researchers/members ever had sightings, encountered or even recorded anything that could be attributed as evidence of the alleged species of large bipedal primate known popularly as Sasquatch/Bigfoot? The Washington State is said to be a hotbed of activity by Bigfoot enthusiasts. Furthermore, whether or not any such experience has happened, what do you think of the notion that were an encounter to happen or evidence be collected, it would be withheld for fear of ridicule or suppressed in some fashion? Thank you for your wonderful efforts and all the best to all of you this Holiday Season! Barbara Hi *****, I've been at Conservation Northwest for more than a decade and in that time we've never seen evidence of Bigfoot in our hundreds of cameras. I can't speak to if someone else would want to withhold evidence that is scientifically feasible, if there were any, but good science reveals all evidence, not just the results you expect. Thanks for the thoughts--interesting. Barbara, thank you so much for your reply. That is as much as I expected. I write on various forums and blogs on the subject of Bigfoot/Sasquatch from a skeptical viewpoint, addressing claims of evidence made by Bigfoot enthusiasts and believers. One claim that keeps coming up when I ask why are not groups such as yours working so hard to document rare mammal species in the heart of Bigfoot country not finding this evidence, is that they think you do find it, but will sweep it under the rug for fear of losing your jobs, fear of ridicule to release it publicly, or that the government is somehow aware of Bigfoot existing and keeps it hidden. Bigfoot enthusiasts show maps showing thousands of alleged sightings all across North America, hundreds of them being in the areas that your groups have been monitoring for years. Strange that we can document on camera and with DNA a single wolverine covering a huge expanse of Washington territory, but a breeding population of massive bipedal forest dwelling primates gets no results at all. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and please keep up the wonderful work you do for the real animals that need it.

New member here! Very happy to see this thread becaue I've been sitting on this little nugget for a while and couldn't figure out where to post it. This comes from William Least Heat Moon's autobiographical Blue HIghways: A Journey Into America. At one point he decides to look around Franklinville NC in Randolph County for the grave of one of his ancestors, William Trogden. Does anyone else think this sounds...familar? The smell in the pines was sweet, the spring peepers sang, and the trail over the first hill was easy. Whippoorwills ceaselessly cut sharp calls against the early dark, and a screech owl shivered the night. Then the trail disappeared in wiry brush. I began imagining flared nostrils and eyed, coiled things. Trying to step over whatever lay waiting, I took longer strides. Suddenly the woods went silent as if something had muffled it. I kept thinking about turning back, but the sense that the grave was just over the next hill drew me in deeper. Springs trickled to the lake and turned bosky coves to mud and filled the air with a rank, pungent odor. I had to walk around the water, then around the mud - three hundred yards to cross a twenty-foot inlet. Something heavy and running from me mashed off through the brush. The sudden silence, pungent smell, and "something heavy and running from me" seem a bit evocative of our big friend, no? Perhaps I'm reading too much into it, I don't know. It's in section 2, East by Southeast, start of chapter 3. If you go to this page http://littourati.squarespace.com/storage/moon-files/moon_map.htm and click on Franklinville NC, you can see the pin on the map and read more. The BFRO has two reports from Randolph County.

Quote Kit: "The Gifford Pinchot Task Force's mission is conservation, forest, fish and wildlife restoration. Finding Bigfoot and recording it on camera would hinder that how?" The fact they "found" Bigfoot and recorded it on camera would not at all hinder their "mission". Publishing a definitive photo or video of a Bigfoot for all the world to see without the consent of the DOI and the DOA would end their project. Period. The federal government - and all those entities that depend on the resources of national lands for their financial success - have no interest in having to deal with the repercussions of having the creatures existence on federal lands revealed. They are considered neither fish nor wildlife by the state or federal government because they are feral, primitive humans and the photographic images would confirm that. Consequentially, the two states that control the hunting of game animals in GP cannot establish rules or regulations for their protection. (They are already protected; murder is murder.) If such documented photos/videos were released the DOI and DOA would have only one alternative; designate huge areas inside the GP as absolute refuges for the Bigfoot, restricting access by modern humans. Unless such action was taken, the GP would be overrun by people from all over the world attempting to see, hear, photograph or hand feed them. (No rules against attempting to feed or befriend homeless people.) Without making the area a refuge - and with "us" humans kept out, the distinct possibility that conflict between the "tourist" and the "residence" would likely occur. How would the feds handle that? (Summary execution or trial?) If you don't think the U.S. government is capable and experienced in conspiracies designed to withhold information from the public which "it" feels is in "its" best interest to do so; a rude awakening is hopefully in your future, With 775 reported BF encounters reported from Washington and Oregon in just the past few years to one BF research group, and the world's foremost animal DNA lab in Jackson County Oregon, and thousands of National Forest personnel in those two states, one would suspect the existence of BF would be as well known to those government employees as they are to the hunters in those states and other area with populations of the creatures. But on the other hand, hunters don't have to worry about loosing their jobs when they reports seeing the things. Branco, on 30 Dec 2013 - 9:51 PM, said: Kit"s Response: Because they do... So BF DOES show up on park Cameras??? Where are the photo?