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Bipto is right, so much wasting of time and energy. The thread was started to discuss the research going on, not arguing it's validity or methods. While I too have registered my concerns I think the NWAC has every right to their method and approach, and I for one would like to hear more about what is going on in the research area. Thanks Bipto for your patience with us all, and I hope we can bring some relevance back into the conversation.

Kerry - I know how you feel about mis-identification, but for the sake of discussion on this thread, it's for people that know when they know, without doubt. However, it's good to bring your point into it because what if you think you saw one, and are looking for ways to think that it isn't true? That is actually a HUGE part of the process. I'd like to walk away and say that it never happened, and write it off to a big deer jumping, or the neighbors howling, or a girl that was confused, or neighbors that heard something else, or two car loads of unrelated people seeing it at the same time, or that the rocks or whatever hit the house was, well I can't figure that out, but whatever. And just go on thinking that it could be something else when your inner soul is telling you that you can't deny it. The more you do, the more it bothers you, so you just have to barf it out and see what exactly what you ate. Sorry for the gross reference. It doesn't matter what it is in life that bothers you, or you deny or hide from or whatever, if you let it fester, or bury it, it will come out one way or another. Do you wonder, do you believe, what would it look like, how would it feel. There's no easy answer. Do you believe in what we are and what we can be. One thing is for certain, tomorrow is going to come. Being strong is what will get us through. Just take my hand because this is beautiful. We'll find everything we are looking for, but it won't be easy because you got to believe. Love is strong enough to get us through. Song lyrics in italics. That's how I'm going to do it. If the words I want to use fit to my songs, I'm using them. And that's all I have to say about that. These feelings won't go away. I'm telling you I can be sideways, every time you are around.

If the rest of your information is as accurate as the link to ancient-origins, I'll consider the source and express profound doubts. The link was far more supportive of Dr Ketchum than I am. Her work is a shambles, and it's no wonder it has been dismissed by any serious scientists.