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I demand the names of EVERY anonymous poster in the history of Bigfoot sightings on the internet. Without them this Process cannot proceed Scientifically.

dmaker - I'll absolutely grant you that. For some people it's a huge deal, for others, no problem at all. It varies with the person's personal and employment situation and the attitudes of the people around them. That isn't even black and white for any one witness, never mind for all witnesses. Stating things as absolutes, explicitly or implicitly, is adding a lot of "heat" to this ... discussion. All sides are guilty. MIB

Their huge lung and airway path gives them great mechanism for making all kinds of sounds. The only knock I can tie to BF was during an encounter in 2012 where one nearly ran over me. I heard it coming towards me with big crunches in the forest floor deadwood, then it spotted me and went down with a huge thud into a crouch. About 15 seconds after the thud it did a series of rapid knocks. 4 or 5 So it took that long to find something suitable to make the knocks. Since it was moving with another BF, I had heard them whooping back and forth to each other for several minutes, I interpreted the rapid knocks as a warning to the other BF to stay away or stay in hiding. When I last heard the second BF whoop it was several hundred yards away and out of sight in the woods on the other side of the creek. Because of that experience and the fact no one really knows what purpose the knocks have for them, I don't use knocking. Just like the 2012 encounter, I want them to be unsure where I am as much as possible, to improve my chances of getting a visual on video. While exchanging knocks may let you know they are around, the second you knock you give away your location. Then again with so many humans knocking now, it is very likely any knock exchange could just be with another human who thinks you are BF. I think it very likely that happens all the time. One thing I did notice on my infrasound audio recording is that particular BF put out infrasound pings in series of two. It did it several times during periods of time where I was not moving and giving my location away. It seemed like sonar in a way but could have been some sort of communication with other BF in the area. Other times it made a very low rumble right at my low hearing threshold. The sound seemed very much like the subwoofer rumble that movie makers put in action scenes to put the viewers on edge. It may have the same purpose to instill fear in humans. At some distance their chest slapping behavior could be interpreted as knocks. It is very loud and would carry some distance. They might do that when a branch is not handy to make a knock. Their howl vocalizations must be very rare. I have only heard it twice in many years and it was between 1 and 2 AM in both cases. For sure it would not only give away their position, but when you hear one, you pretty well know it is not something else. It has to carry for miles. Maybe they reserve that for something like grieving the death of a family member. Now and then a woodpecker will make random knocks and deviate from their normal machine gun knocks. I have heard that a few times and got a visual on the bird. In coastal areas I have observed seagulls beating shell fish on rocks and driftwood logs trying to break it open. So birds are capable of making random knocking noises. I have a woodpecker that attacks the sheet metal on my chimney about once a week for some reason. It must see it's reflection and peck at it. Makes a heck of a racket on the metal. I am pretty certain that BF in my area make owl and crow sounds. I have heard the 600 lb crow sound several times but cannot directly tie it to BF without getting a visual on the BF. So they have a wide range of sounds they can produce in several ways. RR

WSA - I'd rather be a little vague about my role. I can't really say anything that could be verified without completely outing myself and I don't want to do that, so .. take what I say as an interesting anecdote if you wish, I won't take it personally. You asked about motivation. What I believe is this: in one way or another, it comes down to insecurity, to trying to maintain as "respectable" an image as possible and avoid ridicule. The witness is in a pretty vulnerable state generally with their world view turned on its head really wanting someone to validate them, to tell them they're not crazy. They fear the investigator's ridicule. They leave out most all but the bigfoot part from the initial report submission most of the time. It's only when, through the interview process, if the investigator seems trustworthy, that the witness will fill in the additional blanks. IMHO a bigfoot investigator walks a fine line needing to avoid both adversarial interrogation on one hand and coaching the witness on the other. At the same time, the investigator will probably put their name on the report, too, and want to appear credible, want to make their organization appear credible, and make bigfooting as a whole seem credible. (Whether they've really thought through their motives or not. ) In that context, they're probably going to suppress the "woo" and just include the "acceptable" bigfoot part in the report. At some level, it's all about image, about pressure to conform. Maybe not consciously, but it's there. There is a lot of stuff in the body of reports, published and unpublished, that makes me raise and eyebrow but for the most part, it's a questioning eyebrow, not a condemning eyebrow. The more I know the more I appreciate how truly little I know. It's humbling. MIB

I believe I understand now. This isn't simply a matter of flawed logic, it is also a matter of projection. Logic, or the lack thereof, I can address directly. Where pathology is concerned, I can only offer sympathy.

MagniAesir, what did your sweet wife say when she saw the pic of HER truck stuck in the mud? :-0 Here's a snowy day on China Ridge, near Princeton, BC:

You know, during WWII, the Russians tried to apply Pavlov's research to tank-killing and some of the biggest tank battles in history were between the Germans and the Russians. They trained dogs to wear anti-tank mines strapped into a harness, then every time they fed them, they placed the dog food under tanks. They had the dogs trained and ready, they replaced the training mines with live ones and set them loose on the battlefield. Problem was that the dogs were used to finding their food under Russian tanks, not German ones. Morals of the story, if you're going to strap something onto a dog to go after a bigfoot, you might as well make it something that can knock the bigfoot unconscious. Just make sure you stay out of the way.