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I think you are misrepresenting my position a bit bipto, so maybe this helps. I look at Patty and see upper limb proportions that are marginally longer than modern man. The legs are maybe a bit shorter proportionally (perhaps the femur is shorter) and may contribute to a larger angle of shin rise. The neck is probably obscured by muscle, more than ours. The arm swing is just like ours and this is one attribute that contributes greatly to the humanness of their walk, often reported to be like a cross country skier. The facial features being much like ours, with a hooded nose, actually fits very well with decreased prognathism which shifts the position of the tongue further back in the throat which is directly associated with the ability to produce the quantal vowels heard in the recordings and is an anatomical basis for language. So it's not surprising to hear these in purported bigfoot speech/ chatter etc., and in the long distance calls which is very much a human trait. The other sounds, perhaps a learned technique or on the outer limits maybe laryngeal air sacs are at work. Fahrenbach's analysis of hairs only matches what is found in human head hairs, though I do know that the sample I've worked with did not match his criteria...and still produced only human DNA. The tracks are larger yes, they are reported to be larger, hairy and brutish in nature, unsophisticated and low tech, but the opposite is not required in the purest biological sense. The body and DNA is all science will go by. As you can see Bip, I do allow for some differences between us and them, but the taxonomy only cares where it fits in current theory and on a purely biological phylogenetic basis. It won't be classified and placed on the tree of life without the genetics in this day and age, and scientists have proposed that chimps be placed in the genus homo before based on this. So as I have said, I think they are in the genus homo and perhaps a subspecies of modern man, but I do not think they are homo sapiens sapiens 100%.. maybe that clears things a bit when I say they are human.......meaning member of the genus homo. I can't be anthropomophising when the commonalities are so apparent from so many different angles.

So, in other words, no I will not show my work. But I will preach that others should, but I won't when asked. That is a pretty common thread with you. Talk, talk, talk. Asked to back something up.....nada. So since you will not show your work, no need to take you seriously.

Oh dude, thats all you're going to have in a specimen, and you'll have to hope it's enough to prove it's not genus homo. Geez......I am adressing them, but I am at work and address on my breaks. I thought we were looking at the same pile of evidence, and concluding different things, but you haven't shown me your pile yet. Remember we want to see and hear the objective evidence not an argument that your pile is bigger than mine conjecture.

What exactly do you consider a "bigfoot enthusiast" to be? Because I consider myself a "bigfoot enthusiast" but I certainly know people lie and I certainly don't believe ever sighting report.

Thanks DWA, I know you enjoy yourself here, and I'm certainly invested in not hammering all the joy out of this adventure either. I think when we stop playing, "What would happen if we.....?" we're dead (or might as well be).

As usual, you are wrong when it comes to sassy reports. Not only can you not determine the truthfulness of an encounter by reading an anonymous report - you can't determine how many reports someone has read. It boils down to the limitations inherent in adhering to "critical reading" rather than applying critical thinking.

For some reason the inter-dimensional proponents bristle when you suggest that the fading in and out of view that they say is inter-dimensional might be some sort of shock effects on the human mind. Like inter-dimensional travel is somehow easier to believe than such effects on the human mind. The human mind is a pretty fragile thing when exposed to great fear, shock, etc. People in combat loose or repress memories, have lost time, and other manifestations of shock induced memory problems. People in serious accidents often cannot remember what happened. If a witness sees something they don't believe can exist, their mind may not be able to process it and sort of shut down. That sort of thing could explain why something seemed to disappear right in front of them even if BF is not involved in the process. If BF is involved with infrasound or some other process, then who knows what they are capable of doing to the human mind. Randy