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You ask how Sasquatch humanity manifests itself, thinking it has to manifest the way you think it has to. I don't think it does. If a Sasquatch person can speak a language, but does not paint oil paintings, and you believe that each of those things is an attribute that belongs to humans only, then you will have to revise your definition of "human". When your theories can no longer accommodate what is, you have to revise your theories. The other point to be made is that Sasquatch DO do all those things you say they don't. They make tools and fire, live in communities, sing and dance, and make art. WesT made a brilliant study of a Sasquatch blind, from which study he concluded that Sasquatch use spears to hunt deer. Not always. Just sometimes. Other people have heard Sasquatch singing. Others have witnessed Sasquatch building and tending fires. Others have been gifted with Sasquatch art. And on and on and on. It's fine if you don't believe any of this. I do. I have enough experience of my own to know that none of this is impossible. Again, I sooooo appreciate your civility. Have I mentioned how important I think that is? (I think it is very, very, very important.) And I also appreciate that you say, "in my opinion if you don't make tools you're not human". I guess I would say, in my opinion, if you have language, you are a human. Not that labels matter. The Sasquatch people are who they are, whatever we decide to call them. What's sad is that we seem to think we can accord them less respect if we don't classify them as human.

I try to be civil! The problem with your line of reasoning is that you want us to make an exception when there are none. We know the hand axe is well over a million years old, but only recently discovered that Neanderthals like us had a hyoid bone and were capable of speech. Before that we thought only Homo sapiens were capable of speech.... http://evoanth.wordpress.com/2013/01/03/did-australopithecus-make-stone-tools/ If that article is true? And australopethicus made stone tools? And Sasquatch is incapable of doing so? How do they fit in all of this? Boiled down to brass tacks from what we know about the fossil record? Speech came much later than fire and stone tools. If Sasquatch is apart of the genus homo? Then you have to explain how they are capable of speech but not million year old homo traits and skills........ It's true that other animals can cooperate without speech, bees use pheromones and body language. But the bigger point you are missing is if Sasquatch is capable of speech and is human??? Where is the fruits of that manifesting itself? We can go to the Congo or the amazon and observe primitive humans. And what we observe is that they make tools and fire, live in villages and sing, dance, make art and do human things. We see none of this with Sasquatch? Why is that ? Big or small ? species in the genus homo made tools, in my opinion if you don't make tools your not human, your something else. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kdqYqhhTUEQ/TSoKDolqq-I/AAAAAAAAAxU/PDt9zkxdg1Y/s1600/Homosapian.jpg

It is interesting that you have been unable to remain civil in a conversation that you started. Oh, and a conversation in which the other party was never uncivil to you. But I think I understand your difficulty. It stems from the fact that you tried to launch into a discussion of theories, as if they mattered more than the actual evidence. I think you have it backward. Evidence first; theory next. And when new evidence surfaces that does not support the theory you have created (or that someone else has created for you), you don't throw out the evidence; you change the theory. So what we should be doing is looking at the evidence, and deciding what we think about it. I hear spoken words -- language -- in the audio clip for which southernyahoo recently posted a link. What do you hear in that audio clip, Norseman? others?

If Sasquatch is as leaf talker believes them to be? They would be on reservations running casinos right now. In essence he basically described a Native American tribe, and we are to believe they are out there now living in villages, starting fires, hunting with spears, singing and dancing????? Iam trying to be civil but what he proposes is ludicrous.

agreed rock, learning the truth would be a real face melting discovery........no, wait......sorry, we already tried that .....

I heard reported that Cro magnons painted really really big cave murals..........

Larger fonts, please. You've not won any discussion without larger fonts.

Wilma was a redhead, and therefore of more direct Neanderthal descent. Mary Ann or Ginger? Answer: Jeanie!

Betty was hotter than Wilma.