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Really? It would be highly presumptuoous to assume that there are no fossils of Homo that are from an 800 lb individual. There may be many that were that large. Some of the "erectus" and heildelbergensis are potentially that large. It isn't like there are truckloads of fossils to choose from and very few of them have postcranial (non skull) bones where the size of the body can be measured. I recall one heidelbergensis femur that was estimated to be from a larger than 7 foot tall individual. I found an article about it. This is supposedly our most recent ancestor even more closely related than Neanderthal. This guy claims they were much larger than modern humans. It wouldn't be presumptuous to assume that living in a cold climate might make it grow evem larger. Too bad it wasn't the whole femur. http://www.sydhav.no/giants/south_africa_berger.htm Many assume they were lean because they were in Africa. Some even had the hypothesis that they went extinct because they overheated from being too large. That is one reason why they aren't 800 lbs in the literature. They are making the presumption that they would overheat. Oy Vey. Some who I give even less credit apparently think they were small with giant heads because giants are in mythology and they want to sound scientific. The shape of the skull below was also very different from a modern human. I am sure someone could make a model and make even that guy in Stringer's hands look like a modern human. That doesn't mean that he actually looked anything like the model beyond the shape of the skull. He was likely closer related to us than even Neanderthals so I could excuse that presumption of looking human but that fossil was only about 15 to 20 percent of the way to early Homo going backwards in time. I included the link because it shows the skull in someone's hands to give a more proper perspective. He may have also been huge compoared to average modern humans. http://www.nhm.ac.uk/natureplus/blogs/whats-new/tags/dan ______ The meganthropus are commonaly presumed to be much smaller with huge teeth because "giants" are parts of mythology and scientists must therefore poo-poo the idea so they sound scientific. If they didn't assume they were small with giant teeth some nut might even claim them as possible ancestors of bigfoot or a race of giants. How big was the owner of these teeth for example. He was a "human" by the standards many use. How big would a person be if he had teeth this large?

This is a great thread. I'm going to start handing out plusses to everyone until I run out, except for Wag.

Ultimately it comes down to the number of chromosomes. Coonbo, I was a little confused about what you said regarding interbreeding. You said that they can interbreed with us, or that they "think" they can, then you said that the interbreeding stories were just stories. Seems one third on one side of yes/no and two thirds on the other.

Rather like the old Merrill Lynch commercials, when BobZenor speaks, I listen.

Would you prefer Bipto in a stark, small room, with a bright light cast strongly on his face? A large mirror on one wall, and hard-boiled detectives grilling him?

Not all, these guys were over 6 feet tall... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_ergaster

Hmmmm ... I think we have a non-linear scale of perception. We set ourselves apart almost arbitrarily based on technology they simply don't need. The apparent difference between a "NYC hooman" and sasquatch might seem great. The apparent difference between a member of a pre-contact Amazonian tribe and a sasquatch might not be so great. And yet we know the difference between a "NYC hooman" and a "tribal hooman" is basically only cultural, someone born to either but raised by the other from 1 week old would be part of the culture that raised them, same intelligence, same capabilities. It seems to me we have two schools of thought, one overly anthropomorphizing bigfoot, the other going overboard in "anti-anthropomorphizing" bigfoot. The fact is we just don't know. Why is that so hard for anyone to embrace? Winning each other over to one side or the other isn't going to change the truth when it comes, it just means we'll be wrong with more company. MIB

I keep saying this and nobody listens.....if Sasquatch is human or of the genus homo and lives in the forest like an animal? We will have rewrite everything we know about human evolution from the fossil record. I think it's much more plausible that a shy elusive ape gets great intelligence attributed to it because it's shy and elusive. And it remains elusive because it does not exhibit human traits such as living in a village, using cooking fires and flaking stone tools.

If it is I guarantee you it's blurry like a waking dog's eye. Probably has red circles on it too.

While we're waiting for Bipto to get back on the previous request(s), the area (Rogers county, Oklahoma) we've had the most activity/sightings suggests there is a wide variance in physical characteristics of the UHS encountered. Myself, and two other hunters encountered a tall (est. @ 7') individual with a rather thin body presentation. Mine was from a side profile view and to describe the facial features in terms that may be universally understood, he/she appeared as the GEICO caveman with the same descriptive observation from the other hunter that watched the UHS through his binos/scope for the better part of ~8 minutes. When I went to the spot of my observation, a footprint of ~16-18" was noted in the humus soil next to the blackjack post oak he/she had been beating upon with a club of ~4' in length. Another UHS observed on multiple occasions by at least three HS's* was ~6' in height with a rather heavy set body build. The apparent Alpha Male UHS observed by JW, TE & myself was estimated to have stood somewhere around 9-10" as the fork of the trees (where TE observed him in quad mode) later was measured at ~6' apart. JW's comment, after he observed him walking past at ~25 yards, was he would have dwarfed Shaquille O'Neal in body size presentation. A photo, captured in 2009 on one of the gamecams interspersed throughout the property indicated a facial profile that, for lack of a better description, resembled Alley Oop from the old newspaper comics. Then, when you throw in the "werewolf" incident, as reported by JS, it would appear to be a rather eclectic mix in that locale. * Homo Sapien

Yes, you are all making my point. Even Bill Munns can't put an absolute size on it. It seems strange that you would compare something you saw, to the size of something that is awash in so much controversy. Why don't you just give us your estimate of how tall 'Ol Grey' is, instead of giving us more confusion? "Officer, why did you pull me over?" "Well, you were doing 10 over the silver Impala in the right lane."