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Actually, skinwalkers and wendigos have nothing to do with bigfoot except that some bigfooters have recently tried to make them out as bigfoot, as they do with many NA legends/myths.

Ok, in the NAWAC thread Dmaker has challenged me to offer up some police/wildlife type reports that are not of BFRO origins. I will admit that it's not easy, because there is a stigma attached to the subject. I'll start off: 911 Kitsap co. call 1990 Monsterquest Colorado Colorado Fish and Game participates in a track experiment http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CauIZu0fwRQ Police dash cam:

^^ And I would have gotten away with it too if not for that meddling Randy! Of course this is documented somewhere? Probably not. Much better to just ooh and ah and say yeah, that sounds cool! The informal case file must exist covertly, so that it can never be confirmed. Just like the ridiculous story that accompanies it.

^^Why is Dmaker posting here a problem? I think it's important to have as many points of view as possible. We should all be skeptical, of everything we read, see, hear, or experience.

It's as simple as this DWA: You believe bigfoot to be a real animal. To support this you rely most heavily on anecdotal evidence. You also point out alleged footprints and expert testimony supporting that evidence. There is also some emphasis placed on native lore from proponents as well. You also believe strongly that the PGF contains footage of a real creature. I believe bigfoot is not a real animal, but is a social construct born of hoaxing. To support this I can point out many, many proven examples of hoaxing with bigfootery. This fabrication crosses various types of evidence: footprints, reports, photographs and video footage. To also support my position is the lack of biological evidence that holds up under scrutiny. Many samples have been provided in the past and they all come back as known animals, synthetic, or too degraded to analyze. The biological evidence to date has failed miserably. To offer an alternative source for the many sighting reports I point to the history of fabrication and deceit that can easily be found in this phenomenon as well as other sources such as the much documented faults and weaknesses of human perception and the ways that certain mental illnesses such as schizophrenia can cause a person to experience something that never actually happened. Articles in scientific journals documenting this are many and easy to find. The photographic and video evidence, as it were, to date is horribly ambiguous. Terms like blobsquatches are used freely by both skeptic and proponent. Hoaxing bad bigfoot video seems to have become a popular past time on youtube. Sadly, even the bigfoot video evidence that is not universally panned by both sides is still too ambiguous to prove anything, i.e. the PGF. Footprints also have been analyzed and many have been proven to be fabrications, even sometimes after a bigfoot expert has declared them genuine. Features such as dermal ridges are not universally accepted and have also been demonstrated to be easily reproduced as an artifact of the casting process. But, for me, the ultimate damning point that obliterates the bigfoot argument is the utter lack of proof after all this time. Bigfoot is everywhere, yet no one can get a sample of one, a photograph of one, or video footage of one that is clear and unambiguous. When I add up the points I previously mentioned with the complete absence of real, solid evidence it quickly becomes clear that bigfoot only exists in the minds of those that believe. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Please note that I have made my case calmly, rationally and without emotional rhetoric or deliberately talking down to you. I stated your position I think fairly and with respect. I would appreciate it if you could try to craft your response with similar consideration.

The Arundel Mills Police report. A report from the Olympic Peninsula. Police Officer as a witness - http://woodape.org/reports/report/detail/340

Yeah, I would expect differences in the location of anchor points on the bones for muscles and tendons changing the leverage. Sometimes maximum strength is not the ideal, most useful option, sometimes arrangement for greater speed or endurance have survival advantages over arrangement for strength. I've read that we are one of the top 5 "critters" on the planet for endurance running. Not in our couch potato state, but in a stone age state. We're an open plains / savannah "critter." Look at our big toe arrangement, our ability to shed heat and continue doing so across mega miles, our eyesight. Turn to the big guys ... like darwin's finches, they seem adapted to avoid direct competition. They seem better suited for night time, to steep terrain, to feats of strength rather than endurance, cold weather rather than hot. In just about every way I can think of, they are nearly our opposites so far as adaptation to niches in ways that would avoid direct competition. Seems remarkable for a "made up" monster, wouldn't you say? MIB

The effort to bury bigfoot does not have to be trivial for someone to do it. If someone thinks they've shot some sort of person and perceives, realistically or otherwise, the consequences they face for it to be a couple decades in prison, the effort to dig a hole might suddenly seem very worthwhile and manageable indeed. MIB