Sure Keninsc, I know. "Sounding all cool" is equally a bad a reason for adopting a position, I'd agree. If you've experienced something like what Randy has posted here (I have not), but I read about it here and many other places (and I have) and I gave it plausible currency for his consistency, natural history knowledge and backing data (I do)...well, coolness ain't a motivator at all for me, and probably not for a lot of us. It sounds bizarre and far-fetched, but there it is. If I do keep that possibility bobbing in front of me for later consideration, I risk nothing in the least. So many of the rushes to judgment I see on this board are just the kind of attitude you condemn, and me too: Being the first kid on the block to show how worldly and "real" we all are....when really and truly, we are all mostly throwing crap at the wall, waiting on some hard proof to land. If there is any collaborative value in these discussions, it probably would be wise to try and avoid that. That's just according to me...one loser stumbling my way along.