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I was aware of that fact, but was sorely disappointed when he decided that he wouldn't address his claims regarding the "tree break" incident and took off down the road. So, claiming that a slab monkey would be the only proof he'd provide substantiates the claims made along the way? Really? Somehow I doubt that Bipto and the credentialed members of the NAWAC would accept claims presented to them without proof based on a promise, or at least they shouldn't. At any rate, he has and continues to slam the BFF for allowing questions from skeptics and proponents skeptical of his claims. Why is that? All we did is provide him with his own thread to post his observations in. If he can't handle questioning or those that don't believe his claims, that's not our problem. It's his problem.

I'm not telling you anything, including that a band of merry BF are in that particular area creating havoc. I'm saying "Consider alternative possibilities" because there has been no tangible evidence presented. That's all.

Wait......What? There must be some misunderstanding: What does all of this mean then: http://woodape.org/index.php/our-research/methodology "The NAWAC’s approach toward wood ape, or sasquatch, documentation includes tried and true mainstream techniques employed by wildlife researchers." "The NAWAC is engaged in activities designed to test and/or validate the hypothesis through a process involving the collection of observer reports, trace evidence, and clear, repeatable, indisputable photographic/videographic images." "Field research results when volunteer NAWAC investigators and/or biologists determine that it may be possible to collect physical trace evidence of the target species, based on how recent and reliable a reported incident may be. Volunteers then conduct searches for trace evidence. Searches for the collection of trace evidence generally involve techniques akin to those employed by primatologists in pursuit of other rare species and/or known higher order primates such as orangutans, chimps, bonobos and gorillas. Trace evidence may consist of tracks, hair, scat, nests, and animal remains. In addition, sound recordings of vocalizations are sometimes attempted. This may involve field vocalization playback experiments, a technique used by some primate researchers." http://woodape.org/index.php/our-research/projects/206-oe ""Teams and team members were free to be as active or passive as they preferred. Teams had access to several third-generation night vision units and eight or more Reconyx game cameras, as well as, on a more limited basis, high quality sound recording equipment and thermal imagers. Cameras were positioned and repositioned in response to suspected patterns of activity noted by team members. " Looks to me like they are pulling out all the stops to try and collect some type of evidence. I'm sure a Body is the ultimate goal but they do appear to be expending efforts seeking more than that.

^ Now, There's a surprise...

First of all, the NAWAC has presented tons of evidence - hair to Sykes that appears not to have been tested; blood samples that we haven't gotten the results back from (still after many years); audio evidence; videos presented at conferences, as well as host of very credible eye-witness sightings - including myself (with 3 other people) in broad daylight within less that 50 yards (narrowed down to less than that as I ran towards them). What you want is proof - that proof will require a whole body or part of it. We don't have that yet. The NAWAC doesn't believe that bigfoot is telepathic, can zap you, can shape shift, came from a UFO or any of the other paranormal stuff. What it appears is that members of the good BFF are having issues with is a member of the NAWAC suggesting bigfoot broke a tree?? A tree. Not crushing a rock with his teeth. A tree. Not killing a deer with his razor sharp incisors. A tree...can we take a step back and calm down? I am pretty sure dog piling is not allowed on the BFF.

How many thousands of reported sightings per year in virtually every corner of North America? In populated and settled areas? In the case of NAWAC, alleged wood apes are literally falling out of the trees in Area X and throwing rocks at the cabin on a regular basis. And you want to call this lightening in a bottle? Not hardly.

Who says it's a grandiose scheme? Hurling rocks, tipping over trees, making noises? Has anyone on that team captured a BF on video or still photos? That would be awesome! As it sits, WE, the readers, have no idea what is or what is not happening out there. We only "know" what we're being told and my position is that all possible explanations be entertained. Have we seen anything that would negate and/or rule out human involvement in this alleged activity in that area?

Iam not saying that the NAWAC couldn't be mistaken in their belief that wood apes live at area x? But I will say that a drug lord grandiose scheme of Bigfoot pestering people away from illicit activities is craziness.it doesn't logically do what it's intended purpose is. Instead it draws guys with guns into the area that wouldn't normally be there!

I know, it's starting to look like an episode of Impractical Jokers. Can you point to a specific BF (or flock) operating in that area? How much national attention are all the missing people/hikers/enthusiasts from the U.S. forests getting?

Hi Norse, Tree branchs on the perimeter of a tree canopy are smaller than the lower level branchs. The inner section of a tree is known as "Heartwood" and provides the support of the tree. Heartwood is a composite of hollow, needlelike cellulose fibers bound together by a chemical glue called lignin, and is in many ways as strong as steel. Outer limbs are extremely flexible, and that allows the branch to bend almost 180 deg. The force from that action will travel down the branch until it reaches a weaker point and then snap. A large amount of force will travel about 8 to 10 inches past the Apex/Fulcrum point of the bend and break. A small amount of force will travel about 12 to 18 inches and break. The cellulose fibers within the Heartwod are tightly compacted and causes applied force to dissipate very quickly as it travels down the branch. Horizontal forces are the starting point for the reaction, but that force transitions into a vertical force. In Drew's photo, the branch indicated by the white would be able to handle a pretty good amount of force but would bend and then break less than a foot or two beyond the apex/Fulcrum point of the bend. The area circled in red would experience very little force generated by the breaking of a higher branch since it is dissipating as it travels and runs out of momentum! Basically, the higher up the tree the faster it will break. To break that tree at the area circled in red would almost need the force of a Tornado, but even with that, the tree would more than likely uproot way before it would break. Tensile strength of the many species of Trees will dictate that breaking points and will vary considerably. Height and size of the tree are also a factor as well. Any Botanist/Dendrologist can corroborate that.

Bipto may be gone, but there are still discussions to be had. Members may visit his other outlets and discuss the claims of the NAWAC here, and there are other points to discuss, such as these: http://bigfootforums.com/index.php/topic/47032-n-a-w-a-c-field-study-discussion-2/?p=850318 http://bigfootforums.com/index.php/topic/47032-n-a-w-a-c-field-study-discussion-2/?p=850343

UPS, There are settings that you can change when sending pics. Otherwise check your camera. I would not use a cell phone camera EVER to send pics. Copy them to a pc or laptop and check the properties, etc. and even then you might have to scrub them. If you have a friend who is a serious photographer that might help as well. I'm on your side about the privacy issue and agree with you 100%.

yes, oddly enough "hirsuitia gigantica limitalia hallucinatosiphum" is the clinical diagnosis for people whose only psychosis is seeing BF....it's a fairly new one put out there by the APA....