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We all want proof, right? I think most reasonable folks would just appreciate something tangible to support all of these incidents and encounters we're told about. Seems perfectly normal. There is also nothing wrong with considering alternate causes for some of the claimed/reported activity in area X. We have an independent forum member advising zero BF activity in the area surrounding x which, if accurate, seems peculiar. I haven;t seen anyone dog-piling Bipto and in fact until the tree incident, the discussion seemed to be going well.Where and when did that occur? Was it reported? From what I read, Bip admitted that he hadn't bothered to read, upon returning, the responses he was getting while he was away but was told by some people that it wasn't pleasant. So he came back to the thread, made an announcement, fired off a back handed insult about the BFF and left. Are a few unpleasant questions or unflattering remarks considered dog-piling? Perhaps the sources of the questions were somehow irritating? I can't comment on the tree incident as he explained his theory about what happened except that I personally found that far-fetched. Can I understand his frustration(?), sure! Can I understand why he'd let some cynical questioning/attitudes run him off of his own thread- instead of using the ignore feature (?), not really. He's always welcome here but he's not always going to be patted on the back by folks. That's just the nature of the forums. We have a wonderfully diverse membership...

His blog has a picture of the tree in it. You can reference that. I think that the issue is that while he was gone and unable to post, there was a dogpile and by the time he got back there was no point in posting a picture.

First of all, the NAWAC has presented tons of evidence - hair to Sykes that appears not to have been tested; blood samples that we haven't gotten the results back from (still after many years); audio evidence; videos presented at conferences, as well as host of very credible eye-witness sightings - including myself (with 3 other people) in broad daylight within less that 50 yards (narrowed down to less than that as I ran towards them). What you want is proof - that proof will require a whole body or part of it. We don't have that yet. The NAWAC doesn't believe that bigfoot is telepathic, can zap you, can shape shift, came from a UFO or any of the other paranormal stuff. What it appears is that members of the good BFF are having issues with is a member of the NAWAC suggesting bigfoot broke a tree?? A tree. Not crushing a rock with his teeth. A tree. Not killing a deer with his razor sharp incisors. A tree...can we take a step back and calm down? I am pretty sure dog piling is not allowed on the BFF.

OK, did a Google search on this book. I may give it a look, but the thing that disturbs me is the reviews. I went to Smashwords, Barnes and Nobles, and Amazon to read reviews of the book. There are numerous reviews that are word for word the same, however they have been posted by different users. Looks to me that all the five star reviews are plants to boost the books sales. That being said, I will probably read it anyway as I'm a sucker for BF stories, and hey, it's only $7.

Our only stance has been that every member has a right to an opinion. So long as they post squarely within the rules, they are free to express themselves. We can continue this discussion in the proper staff area so as not to derail this topic, if you'd like.

Does the possible Mexican Drug Cartel presence in that area seem somehow incredible? How about poachers? You're right that "I" don't have anyone in the area, but there is a member in this thread claiming knowledge of the surrounding area. You'll have to dispute that with them or ask them specifics.

Wait......What? There must be some misunderstanding: What does all of this mean then: http://woodape.org/index.php/our-research/methodology "The NAWAC’s approach toward wood ape, or sasquatch, documentation includes tried and true mainstream techniques employed by wildlife researchers." "The NAWAC is engaged in activities designed to test and/or validate the hypothesis through a process involving the collection of observer reports, trace evidence, and clear, repeatable, indisputable photographic/videographic images." "Field research results when volunteer NAWAC investigators and/or biologists determine that it may be possible to collect physical trace evidence of the target species, based on how recent and reliable a reported incident may be. Volunteers then conduct searches for trace evidence. Searches for the collection of trace evidence generally involve techniques akin to those employed by primatologists in pursuit of other rare species and/or known higher order primates such as orangutans, chimps, bonobos and gorillas. Trace evidence may consist of tracks, hair, scat, nests, and animal remains. In addition, sound recordings of vocalizations are sometimes attempted. This may involve field vocalization playback experiments, a technique used by some primate researchers." http://woodape.org/index.php/our-research/projects/206-oe ""Teams and team members were free to be as active or passive as they preferred. Teams had access to several third-generation night vision units and eight or more Reconyx game cameras, as well as, on a more limited basis, high quality sound recording equipment and thermal imagers. Cameras were positioned and repositioned in response to suspected patterns of activity noted by team members. " Looks to me like they are pulling out all the stops to try and collect some type of evidence. I'm sure a Body is the ultimate goal but they do appear to be expending efforts seeking more than that.

I was aware of that fact, but was sorely disappointed when he decided that he wouldn't address his claims regarding the "tree break" incident and took off down the road. So, claiming that a slab monkey would be the only proof he'd provide substantiates the claims made along the way? Really? Somehow I doubt that Bipto and the credentialed members of the NAWAC would accept claims presented to them without proof based on a promise, or at least they shouldn't. At any rate, he has and continues to slam the BFF for allowing questions from skeptics and proponents skeptical of his claims. Why is that? All we did is provide him with his own thread to post his observations in. If he can't handle questioning or those that don't believe his claims, that's not our problem. It's his problem.