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OK - Everything's been said, so this thread is done. It is now closed.

Drew - you seem to know a lot about hunting, heck even perhaps at times claimed to be a hunter. Let me ask you this. Are you aware there are plots of land that are open to public hunting? Are you aware that multiple hunters can be present in the same 10 acre (or less) plot of these public hunting lands unknown to each other? Are you also aware there is no law in ANY jurisdiction that restricts the amount of hunters per acre? You are dreaming up some sort of problem with discharging firearms in a 'pulled from the clouds' area. If you have a real problem with this, you best get a-writing your local DNR so they can change the laws. It is not uncommon during deer season to sneak out on public land before dark, set up, only to find when the sun rises some other yahoo has done the same thing 50 yards away. You are beating a non-issue to death. That is where TAB-K comes in - from a strictly hunting standpoint. Moving on. Addressing this "pointing the gun at a 'suspected' woodape prior to ID. That is not what a hunter does. That is what LEO and military do. NAWAC isn't "hunting" these things, they are attempting to acquire a specimen on private property using military tactics. I would think that someone could discern the difference in LEO/military training and what is taught for sportsmen. Regarding the 'illegal' ammo - 00 buck isn't legal for a game animal. Well, how about varmints? Left that one out, eh? How about just having it in your gun on private property? The amount of non-issues being beaten to death on but an iota of the actual goings on is astounding. I think some of the other posters have ID'd the true intent of those types of discussions quite well. (For the record I am indeed a State Certified Hunter's Education Instructor - however, do not take any of my comments as legal advice - call your local DNR warden - that's what they get paid for).

Hello DWA, .....but thanks for playing"- DWA With all due respect, I really would like this thread to be completely devoid of snide remarks. Please refrain fron such tactics and thry to ADD something positive to this instead of being a detractor. And I disagree, we are NOT getting closer all the time as your own "if confirmation doesn't happen in the next five years - ten at the outside" so glaringly points out.

The beginning of this thread you accused Nawac of hunting out of season, hunting a nongame species. when these were pointed out as not viable it was hunting with a possible illegal weapon and definitely an illegal ammunition. Then it was assault with a firearm in the Echo incident. You might want to go back and reread your comments so you do not spin yourself up in your own web.

A hunter who controls a hunting lease who doesn't have a clue two duck hunters can sit in the same blind together. Because he misread the Oklahoma game regs wrong? Has no credibility in my book......

Confronting bipto on a this forum does nothing to solve an issue of safety does it ? So I don't buy your reasoning, Your word's spell it out. You encountered the creature and now will do anything to stop one from being killed. At least that's the impression your giving. I'm not saying there's anythig wrong with your view. Just be honest about it.

She wasn't a "somebody researcher" Crow, she's a Vetenairy Surgeon that believes in Angels and Fairies.

Common sense tells me that a troupe of wood apes doesn't just live on 10 acres. But some of us seem to believe they do.......in fact one of your ridiculous assertions is they guard a widows place from trespassers. If we are talking about a biological entity that is a large omnivore? They need hundreds of miles to roam and forage. But if they are forest people I suppose they could just live off of granny.....she must do a lot of canning. The idea that area x is 10 acres for me is absurd. Albeit 10 acres with cabins could be used as a base camp. But besides Branson's statement which could be true or untrue, you don't have much to go on. I know this much, if the NAWAC was set up on a neighboring ranch next to my own I would know about it. And I wouldn't need to search out a land owners youtube video. I find that very suspect. Lastly? FYI If you have permission to be somewhere? Your not trespassing! Secondly, 00 buck is not illegal to own in OK. And wood apes receive no protection from the fish and game because they are not recognized......same goes for gnomes and pixies Depends entirely on the topography Drew. I remember Brian stating there is a very steep hill behind the cabins. Natural backstops are ok to use in natural settings such as remote hunting leases. Or, people build back stops all the time in the case of target shooting. But you still don't want someone walking into your range unannounced. Or in this case private property.

A brief summary: David NC says I accused NAWAC of illegal weapons. Is there a post number that can be cited? David NC says I accused NAWAC of illegal ammunition. I stated that the ammunition (00 Buck) used by Mr. Colyer was not legal for any game animal in Oklahoma (www.wildlifedepartment.com) and while the rifled/foster style slugs were legal for whitetail deer, there is no legal deer season in July for Oklahoma. Drew (post #229) made reference to statutes regarding fireams and discharge circumstances. zenmonkey has made multiple posts alluding that Area "X" is not on Mr. Branson's property. When asked to affirm such posts via a direct question...the silence is deafening. Now, Norseman is saying Area "X" is some vast area encompassing basically the entire region. Problem for zenmonkey and Norseman is the landowner (Mr. Branson) has gone on public record as stating Area "X" is his property. The 10 acre plot is the only parcel listed in his name per the official land records (tax roll) for LeFlore county Oklahoma. So far, I have not found any property listed in his name for the adjacent counties (Latimer, McCurtain & Pushmataha) in the Kiamichi region. Bipto (post #545) makes mention of the cabins (enhancements built onto it) on this place, as their base of operations. In a possible effort to create plausible deniability, Norseman is now regurgitating information from anonymous sources within NAWAC. If...NAWAC is operating and has permission to trespass on parcels adjacent to the Branson place, that's all well and good, as long as they shoot to the south and not in the direction of the lease. If...NAWAC is operating in other areas, such as public access land, which is distant from the lease, bully for them as at least someone else is possibly having to deal with errant rounds flying around. The above two comments derive their basis from the written Echo Incident report and video evidence, as publicly offered by NAWAC and/or it's operatives. IMO, those incidents involve participants losing composure and firing off rounds in a fashion that could be construed as unprofessional (at best, especially considering Mr. Coyler has military experience) and/or reckless (at worst) by a reasonable person. Again, IMO, the hardcopy and video evidence I have observed regarding NAWAC's operations, appear to indicate a high level of rank amateur behavior despite being cloaked in military jargon. Outside of some catchy military style titles, I see little that seperates them from the other (publicly known) groups trying to accomplish the same end.

Yuchi1 thanks for your input and thank you for answering the questions asked of you.

..."I never seen you bring that up in all this hoopla about them breaking the law"... What laws have I specifically accused NAWAC of breaking? zenmonkey has alluded in multiple posts that Area "X" is not on the Branson property. Mr. Branson stated that it was located there. So, which is it?

The more and more I learn about efforts made to find the creature the more depressed I become. As the saying goes "I want to believe". That's becoming more and more diffcult. I've not had an experience of my own and do not know anyone that has. Habituation claims with no proof, failed DNA tests, and con men trying to seperate people from their hard earned cash have all made me disillusioned. I have become convinced that if you claim you have the evidence but it has to remain secret then you're part of the problem and not worth listening to.