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DWA, you are , in my opinion. the least objective person on this forum.

Dmaker You truly are trying to get a handle on this are you not,but can not make sence of it all. There is no way that I will ever prove what I have expierance to you unless you were there. But you know what I am ok with that and i am ok if i have been put on ignore by a lo of others. So what that i can not prove to you what i saw or that no one else can either. That is just the way it is and like the topic of the tread says it will make no difference one way or the other. May be this has been done by some on seen authority that we have no understanding. But still it does seem to differ that you do seem to be here for some reason ,that you do have some belief that this creature does exist. Other wise you would have stopped a long time ago and never become a member and payed your $20 or so seeking answers. See that where i am different, i have already found those answers to satisfy what i have been looking for. So in a way there is no need for me to pay the $20 unless i am willing to look at being insulted for telling the truth.I am here to know that I am not alone and to let others know the same. There would be nothing more special to me then to bring in a body and to prove to all how right I am. But that would just be a selfish act and would be one I am not willing to commit.

I think you two are AWESOME too!!!! It's so nice that the doubtful are starting to notice.

Last word? Naw. Just a little tired of you and DWA telling people constantly how to think and how "out of tune" our curiosities are, or one of the dozens of other deficiencies you two perceive in everyone else. We don't think right, we don't read right, we don't appreciate nature properly when we're out there, etc, etc. We get it. You two are awesome and the rest of us are ignorant rubes until we dial in our bigfoot mojo like you two have. Maybe one day all of your subjective awesomeness might allow you to produce a single scrap of objective evidence for all this stuff you proclaim.

He's just jealous because you and DWA are awesome.

It is funny to watch this two person orgy of self congratulations. I wonder if the forum will collapse under the weight of your two person mutual admiration society. "You're awesome" "No, you're more awesome, bro." "Seriously, did you see how awesome I was just there?" "That was the most awesome ever, bro" "Do you remember that time I was super awesome in the woods? That was awesome!" "The woods are scary, bro. You're so awesome that you spend so much awesome time there. Other people just don't understand how awesome you are. We should tell them a thousand times. "

My point exactly Will. There is an entry level degree, gained by logging lots of hours under canopy, better done by yourself. You have done that, obviously. I've done that (although lately I grow fat and lazy). DWA...he is a rambling fool...guy can narrate a trail to you he walked with 30 years ago, with a biota survey thrown in. Many, many here that I pay attention to especially have done that. I do that because their words tell me they know. These things will never come out of books, totally. Unless you have put in the calories, you will not know if something somebody is telling you makes sense, or is possible, or not. And when you do that, the more you do that, the more you will realize that these woods are like the ocean....nobody knows all about what swims there. It is one of the aspect of life on this continent that is obtainable for anyone who cares to reach for it. There is no correspondence course for an equivalency degree in this.