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SweetSusiq In 2012 there were 90 people a day (that is 33,561 people in the year) that left home and did not return because they were in an automobile accident.Murder in the united states is at an average of 4.7 per 100,000 people (that is about 15,000 people each year, was twice that in 1980) or 41 people per day killed by another human. I believe our children would have a better survival rate if we sent them to the woods to live. Humans , our technology, and our lifestyles are the most dangerous things we will ever face. The best thing we can do is teach our children the best we can and love them enough to set them free.

The group managed another outing this month, on the first day of fall, which felt like the middle of summer, with bright sunshine, and temperature at 29C most of the afternoon. We chose to check out a valley near the east end of the Fraser Valley, south of Hwy 1. The start of the FSR is a little obscure, but we managed to locate it, and found the road to be in decent shape, as there is some active logging ongoing at the extreme end of one of the branch roads. The road climbs steeply for almost all of its 11km length, with a number of clearcuts in various stages of regrowth along the way, eventually ending at the present logging operation, near the crest of the eastern ridge of the drainage, at a spectacular lookout area with a view of most of the watershed.With the soil still damp from rain earlier in the week, we hads hopes of spotting tracks, but that didn't happen. We drove back down the valley, and back on to HWY 1, past Hope to the site of a report from about 2000, to have a look around. The site is already quite overgrown, compared to its open state at the time of the incedent. On another side trip along one of the valleys south of the highway, we found a very nice campsite, and a member of the group is planning a late fall campout there. It was wonderful to get out "on the hunt" for the day, see some new terrain, and spend time with friends and family who enjoy the search. A nice late afternoon lunch in Hope topped the day off, and the drive home went so smoothly, that the youngest member of the party (15) managed a good nap on the way. Some shots from the day: #1 End of the road at the logging site. #2 Looking south from there. #3 A side creek to the west #4 Looking for tracks in the sandy soil here - only found tracks from 1 moose, and lots of people. #5 Great campsite for a future basecamp.

Now that's very impressive set up you have there SWW . I like what you did there and seems like a great tool to get sound. Hammer I use to think like others that I had to hide my scent and all . That these creatures would not find me out by hiding my scent , even on my equipment. Yes it works fine on other animals but not on these creatures. They will know no matter what you do or how you prevent it from it being found out. It is best just to let them know what you are trying to do and do it. The best hiding place is always in plain site. They will investigate it and leave it alone or they will wonder what it is and recognize it and stay away from that spot.

Good point David. Women get so used to nearly everything they have as far as lotions, creams, and skin products being scented that they forget that to a forest animal you and everything you touch probably smell like the cosmetics section in a department store. But for all we know that might have some appeal to a BF. There is just no way of knowing. Hammer, rather than try to mask it, which is probably impossible, maybe a better option would be to get them to know and trust you from your own scent. That would certainly be easier for you, if you can get them to accept that tactic. All you have to do is look at what deer hunters put themselves through to try to mask their scents to a deer to know now difficult that process is. Even without personal scents, I think electronic gear and batteries give off their own smell so there might be nothing that can be done at that level with the equipment. They either accept the equipment as not a threat or you have to hide it so they cannot figure out what it is. Rather than hide a recorder someplace close to them, have you thought about a parabolic microphone that puts you well away from them? If you have the recorder you can make one for a few dollars, assuming you can find the dish. Even an old satellite dish can be used if you place your recorder right at the focus. Here is a picture of one I made. It will pick up the flutter of a leaf at over a hundred yards. It is 2 feet in diameter and hardly portable but with a habitation situation, you could just point it out a window or set it on your porch and pick up a lot of stuff nearby. Like I said an old Dish Network or Direct TV dish will work if you mount the recorder or a microphone at the focal point.

Hasn't been done here, and proffering the R word is silly.

Thunderbirds would be good at not leaving much of a trace anywhere near the abduction site...