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Ok, since your going to side step the NAWAC thread, let's look at a fresh one: Bigfoot Beheading People: If it really means nothing? Why post? If Bigfoot is just stuff made up as you go along? Why bother?

No hiflier. This didn't take down anything. Everyone who has seen a bigfoot has still seen a bigfoot. Everyone who has other forms of encounters with them still have their encounter. It doesn't change anything. All it does is possibly show this man wasn't totally honest or he made an honest mistake. Thats all it shows. There have always been people from what i have read that have hoaxed, and been dishonest. It doesn't change anything except people trusting him. That's all.

Agreed, but we don't have to put up with ridicule in our own house. Nor should Elk hunters put up with discussing the ethics of hunting with PETA members on a hunting forum. No where on the internet will you find discussion boards that put up with ridicule about the subject they are dedicated to discussing. I'm OK with some criticism, but I understand that there are those that are not criticizing...........they are ridiculing, simply because they find the whole subject ludicrous. As for the NAWAC? Brian on his blog made it crystal clear why he left and even offered some words of wisdom for us left behind. Maybe you have read it, maybe you haven't. But it had nothing to do with feeling remorse over the report. And had everything to do with dealing with people who dislike the NAWAC because they are a non profit organization...........and claim to have interactions with Sasquatch. Which is a creature that DOES NOT exist in their mind, which makes the members of the NAWAC, nothing more than hoaxers and charlatans. So what do you do with hoaxers and charlatans? Well.............you badger and belittle them at every turn. You take a critique and turn it into ridicule. You make it so miserable for them that they choose to no longer share anything they have about the subject with the BFF. They didn't lose anything..............we did. It's water under the bridge, so be it, but we have learned nothing from it obviously because we now have other researchers singing the same tune Brian did............"We don't belong here". And that is what I find sad. As far as Mr. Franzoni? I'd rather gloss over his experience, shrug my shoulders and walk away............than to continue seeing a large number of threads that has anything to do with Bigfoot become a war over existence.

I think it all depends on how you look at them personally. If you look at them individually, they're nothing. If you look at them collectively, they're maybe something. If you start to break them down and analyse them, looking for trends, looking for patterns, broken down by geographical areas, different seasons etc, you have a much, much better chance of, IMO, showing or presenting a legitimate case of this animals existence via basic common sense. I truly do.

OK, I was going to let this ride, but as an active bigfoot enthusiast/amateur investigator in western PA from the mid 1980's til about the mid 2000's, I always considered Mr. Keating less-than reliable, either through designs of his own, or over-enthusiasm, based on claims he made about evidence he had collected. This feeling was shared by a number of my friends and associates, but wasn't something anyone went around talking about. Because of his prominence in the field, and his organizing efforts for the area's bigfooting groups, I think many just let it slide. This is not to said to bash Mr. Keating (I feel everyone is entitled to have their evidence evaluated without bias, and also, that anyone evaluating evidence be free to draw their own conclusions), but to make it known that the scrutiny that hiflier is focusing upon this investigator is not without precedent, and should not be a surprise to bigfooters with any experience with his claims.

1) The NAWAC thread has more than one example in it...........the tree break was just the last episode. I invite you to read all the way through it first. 2) This is an important point I wanna make. For example, I like the Oakland Raiders, (yes you can feel sorry for me) so do I have a fundamental right to get on a Kansas City Chief website and nay say or trash talk? What about if I was to go onto a Rugby site and was to nay say or talk trash about their sport? Could you imagine a hunting forum in which animal rights activists have an equal voice to hunters? So on and so forth.......... Where does the line get drawn? I don't think skeptics should be able to ask for DNA every time some one claims to have observed something. When almost every single thread in the General Forum turns into a debate about existence? I think we have a problem. I'm NOT saying that a person is obligated to go along with a claim........but I do think that it's a Bigfoot website, that's what we are here to discuss, and if people think that they are just going to get eaten alive every time they open their mouth, they are not going to participate any more. And that's something we sorely need right now, is membership. We also have to remember that we old battle axes are all jaded........pick a topic and a username, I bet we could all respond in kind for each other. That's how long we have been going at this........ To someone that is naive and bright eyed? Yah, we can come across as jerks............ If we like this website? All of us? Then I think some things are gonna have to change to ensure we attract people who wanna talk about Bigfoot. Or keep people around longer than a week before they flee........

DWA, I'm not reading you today. Rant on if you feel like it.

Rereading the additions to this thread by the forum administrators I can see why researchers are leaving. We like anyone would love to lay your extraordinary proof on the table. That is hard to get and takes time to gather. In the mean time I am expected to sit on my hands and not post my findings? I do get those now and then. A picture of a footprint is not extraordinary evidence so I suppose that has no place here? I could care less if some witness has proof of his experience. Let me be the judge of that. If the only thing welcome is extraordinary proof to support a claim there will be nothing here of interest to read because little of that exists and if it did, this forum would be superfluous because BF would be accepted by science. If the reason for allowing witnesses and researchers to post is to provide fodder for skeptics to argue with, then not only will witnesses and researchers leave because they have better things to do but the concept behind the present forum policies seems to support skeptics rather than promote knowledge about BF. If that is the case, like MIB maybe I don't belong here either.

Here is the deal. We proponents may not always get along, but the reason this website exists is because of US. Denialists contribute nothing to this forum because they give no chance for this creature to be real. You guys? Even the ones I may disagree with or not believe a word they say? Whatever? Are the reason we still talk about this subject. You guys create dialogue and make this website interesting. So keep that tucked away in the back of your mind.

That's what most skeptic's don't understand. It isn't like your in a zoo taking pictures of the animals. These are living creatures who are huge, fast and I don't care what anyone says, they are not lovable and fluffy. It's frightening. They are extremely fast and i'm assuming super strong, especially since their bigger than gorilla's. I haven't had another sighting since the one I had. But then I'm not out there looking all the time. It doesn't consume my life. I would love to see another one, yet at the same time I don't. Fear is why. Fear and astonishment is why there aren't decent pictures. It's the last thing on your mind. You have to have that encounter to understand.