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Have there been any documented cases of infra sound induced panic attacks caused by anything you listed? Seems like we should have people freaking out on a daily basis. And how come one can't include an unknown as a possible explanation? Denial isn't science based, no? If you like, I can provide a list of 'unknowns' that were considered as an explanation in scientific discovery, and then later proven to be real.

As per the case with most skeptical viewpoints I see on this forum, what you have written above is nowhere near as black and white and as basic as what you attempt to make it sound.

Yah, you both beat me Nathan and BobbyO but Stan Courtney and Jeff Meldrum beat all three of us. Hah, great article though. I've done some of the simultaneous triggering studies myself and I know one of our infrequently posting members has done some of the ultrasonic studies.

I am case "A" in this thread. Spent the first 22 years of my life in NC playing in the woods with never a care in the world. Copperheads and Water Moccasins were the only animals that I knew that could hurt me in my domain. I was the typical arrogant kid that could not be harmed. One cold winter day walking with my very big, very mean and aggressive Siberian Husky in snowy swampy woods in NJ a half a mile from my condo, I experience panic for the first time in my life. I turn and run for my life back to my condo for 1-2 minutes before my engineer brain asks me why the hell am I running. I collect myself and call it a day and head home with the experience seared in my brain. 5+ Years later and living in to a another part of NJ I run in to a BF in a state park. 4+ years after that I run in to another one back in NC. Over the years I have tried to pull together a handful of weirdness and experiences in my life and they all tie back to BF. Is panic in woods evidence of BF, of course not. Is the over whelming evidence of BF by 100s if not 1,000s of people like me evidence of BF, absolutely. You could convict on the death penalty with a lot less evidence than exists for the evidence of BF. BTW, I saw a report that human brains similar to other animals like deer, can via chemical sense pick up on the panic of other humans and possibly react with something like panic. Not sure how it applied to my case as there was no other humans or even animals around that I could see. (PS - NJ is a very weird state and if you don't know it please put away your prejudice. The location while in the middle of an urban state ~40 miles from NYC and within 600-1000 yards to probably 1,000 condos is as remote from US civilization as you can ever imagine. Look up the dismal swamp and I dare you to walk there at night)

Eyewitness reports are unreliable. Memory is unreliable. Most reports are mis-identifications or outright fraud. These are the most common responses to eyewitness reports. I get all that and think for the most part that is true. However, there are clearly outliers in the sighting reports that I have a hard time dismissing as one of the normal rationalizations. Salubrious' experience is a perfect example. As a skeptic, I naturally try to categories his report, like all others I come across, as a mis-ID or fraud or unreliable for any number of reasons. Maybe he's on hallucigens or something. I don't know. However, Saubrious comes on here, puts his story out there, and sticks to it in a way I find rather credible. He seems pretty confident in what he saw and recounts his experience in a lucid, matter of fact, and articulate manner. Then, look at his behavior. Why would a fraudster, assuming for argument sake he was one, come on this board and participate in discussions over a long period of time, with over 2,000 posts? I'm not picking on Salurious, but only use him as an example of some one who has devoted a lot of energy to the subject of BF after coming out with his report. What does some one like him gain by doing so? That's why I can't discount his experience. I think he's looking for validation and answers to what he saw, same as many other witnesses who come forward and devote a lot of energy to the BF phenomenon over a long period of time without financial or other apparent motivation. So, with all the problems surrounding memory and eyewitness accounts, all of which are legitimate, the outliers like Salurious' encounter are what keeps me interested in this subject. MNSkeptic

^^^That, and if you can show that not all such things are BF related, it follows that BF doesn't exist, or none of the phenomena are attributable to BF. We can see this at work in the form of Drew's question. "So", he might conclude, "Because people have panic attacks in their beds at night in urban areas, this tends to argue that...." Well, actually, it tends to show exactly nothing much, except that it is this kind of amateur sniping that makes serious discussion around here so unlikely. Note how he studiously avoids considering the real question, because, that's right YOU CAN'T GET A PANIC ATTACK FROM SOMETHING THAT HE KNOWS DOESN'T EXIST! So, that sort of shuts down his ability to consider the very premise, in its entirety, doesn't it? (Yes, it does)

I experienced infrasound after finding a bigfoot structure and trying to examine it. There was nothing in it, but I could only look at two sides of it before I had to leave and the person with me expressed his desire to want to leave without me saying what I was experiencing. It was overwhelming fear, and I'm not someone who scares so easily. As a matter of fact I was disappointed in myself for being so scared, and didn't quite understand why I was so scared. I literally had to force myself to walk up to the structure. While we were walking away it was fine, but whenever we stopped and talked I felt anxiety, but not as great as it was at the structure. Objects would be thrown and land around 30 feet from us when we stopped, always landing where I was not looking. I never saw one, but the structure coupled with the thrown objects says it was BF activity. The great number of researchers who have claimed to have experienced it tells you something real is happening. Both dolphins and whales use infrasound to stun fish they want to eat. They momentarily paralyze their prey. Whale directed blasts of infrasound are called "gunshots," and they have actually been observed bursting fish apart with that. For us to be affected by that we would need to be near the whale in front of its directed blast. Tigers use infrasound to disorientate their prey. And deer have been observed behaving oddly in areas where it was believed bigfoot was present, and they likely use infrasound to catch their prey. Indian legends claim they can hypnotize deer, and some people have reported paralyzing effects as well. We are frequently exposed to man made and natural infrasound, but at low decibels it's not harmful. I believe sasquatches can direct at blast at high decibels. It's theorized that BF might have an air sac like apes, An air sac would explain the loud noises they make when doing audible screams, and perhaps it could also aid the inaudible infrasound. It's scientifically known that infrasound can cause anxiety, confusion, and even memory loss. It effects people differently. Some have passed out from it. And it has been recorded. Scott Carpenter claims to have recorded it when he was literally being yelled at in infrasound that is below the human threshold of hearing and claims to have video taped the one doing it. http://bf-field-journal.blogspot.com/p/theory-bigfoot-cancreate-and-use.html Different cycles per second (hertz) produce different effects, plus different amplitudes (decibels) of those various frequencies produce different effects. I don't know a whole lot about what these different frequencies cause, but a frequency matching the resonance of our cells has its own type of effect. Some frequencies at low amplitude actually produces a pleasant effect on people. Below 7 hertz at a high enough decibels can cause internal injuries or death.

I've resigned myself to the fact that no photo is going to solve this mystery. But skeptics complaining about "no clear photos" is a joke. There are tons and tons of them showing SOMETHING, that's definitely not a shadow, or a branch, or a bear for that matter.