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He was drawing lines in the sand trying to force it to remain something safe for science: just an upright ape. Where the discussion really went off track was talking about the waves of fear people report. He was very insistent this was a result of pheromones. All I did was ask how a chemical could be causing these light-switch off/on fear/no-fear changes in people that were 100-150 yards away ... upwind. He got kinda huffy that I would dare to question his foregone conclusions. I was somewhat surprised to find that my report was published. I'd tell you which one it is but they included far too much personally identifying information that I thought would be kept confidential. Another strike against filing reports IMHO. MIB