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Yes, you're right, ......well maybe not a million, but many. U.S. Game and Fish? Seriously? With the best animal DNA lab in the world, situated in Oregon, in the same county as the historically preserved National BF trap, and being a part of one of the numerous federal agencies that have clearly defined and often used agreements with the U.S. military to support them in efforts to control ANY situation that poses a threat to humans or livestock from any wild animal, you still believe that agency does not know there are such animals as Sasquatch/Bigfoot? (The DOA has their own kill team; why not try them for info; they could clue you in if you managed to join their "kill club".) It will not be the members of this forum that "stone you", it will be the civilized folks worldwide. I guarantee you, most people, including myself, will NOT "want to look at it or touch it" if you kill one. How in blazes will anyone "understand" it from looking at its corpse, or find it "kinship to us"? It would be asinine to even think of killing one if you thought it had some kinship to "us". I, and many others, have already "looked at them" closely. We saw human-like features, intelligent eyes expressing nothing but curiosity and interest, but of course we were not sneaking around trying to kill or injure them. Yes sir, they can be aggressive, just like us when someone invades our property. They danged well don't need your help in preserving their species by killing one of them! The proof of that is the time you have reportedly spent in the woods and have never seen one. They have done a pretty job of taking care of themselves. (It would really be fun to know how many times THEY have seen YOU playing sniper.) That "slam dunk" is more foolishness. Yes, a body would be confiscated, that's for sure. It will most likely occur -if you are careful - after you have have made a few hundred phone calls and driven a thousand miles or so trying to find a private or university lab that will accept the body. They won't, for good reasons, touch it. Call the DOI's Forensics Lab in Ashland, I'll bet Ken Goddard could tell you the best way to find a "slab" for the booger if you bag one. I know I've given you a hard time about your project, so I can only offer a little serious advice to make up for it. I earnestly suggest that you forget about killing one and simply try to find a group of them and try to peacefully interact with them. That can, and has been done many time by a lot of people I've worked with in twelve states. If you ever make the connection - and you are a rational and curious person, you will discard that idea of killing one. Won't bug you again, I promise.

You would probably be astonished to know how many are real.

Donn, stories are stories, just that and nothing more. Stories about lost samples are just stories as well. You could insert any cryptid into the monograph and end up with an equally unscientific treatment of the subject. If elves or faeries work equally well then something is wrong starting with the hypothesis. I know you don't get it and probably never will but there is nothing to the monograph. Many works of fiction are just as well written and even longer, being well written and long doesn't make the stories inside true. Look past what can't be proven and look for something real...where is the scat from the multitude of animals living on the 10 acre property? Real apes produce scat, it's easily found, easily collected and contains DNA. Rely less on FAQ's and more on facts. Push for less pointless publishing and more poop! Earmark your donations for scoop shovels or gloves and paper bags. When you talk to folks who go on the "expeditions" point out that if they have time to observe wood apes climbing trees and throwing rocks at them (w/o pockets btw which begs the question of where are the rocks are being carried?) they have time to film or shoot the wood apes. Ask where the body is, ask what direction the ape went, ask how far they tracked it and what they found. Your cutting edge of science is more like a dull forgotten spoon in a bowl of overblown soup made up of stories that science turned away from in the 1800's. The bottom line is that NAWAC hasn't produced proof in the 10 plus years they've been investigating the area. They can't even find poop! Here is a way to contrast NAWAC with other researchers...answer these questions if you want to get down to brass tacks. Can scientists study gorilla poo? Can they collect it in Africa from remote tropical jungles and get answers? Can NAWAC find some on the 10 acre property with a road and buildings they've been studying for over 10 years? Come out of the NAWAC closet Donn, there's a whole wide world filled with real science that will astound you. Simple things that NAWAC won't even attempt like video or DNA from scat and even tools or rocks are old news out here. Patterson was able to use film in the 60's, today science is filling in family trees on wild gorillas from scat. NAWAC is still telling stories.

I hear you, Beerhunter, and I appreciate what you're saying, but I don't agree that the real problem with Bigfooting is that too many people have their sights set on moneymaking. I think that could be a problem for those people as individuals, yes (because they're going to be very sadly disappointed; see Branco's recent post about all this); but the rest of us cause our own suffering. To blame people who want to make money for our own suffering seems off target, to me. In this country, we're allowed to spend our money pretty much any way we like, as long as we're not hurting anybody. If I sign up for a "fake" BF expedition, or read a book that's pure fiction (but represented as something else), so what? I've had a good time, and nobody has died. Nobody has even caught a cold. (Although I'm like you; I personally don't have any interest in paying for content, because I have other things I need to pay for, first.) I think the real problem with Bigfooting is the constant rush to judgment of every little tiny thing and every person. I think the rushers truly believe their actions are making this arena "safer" for people, but in my opinion, it doesn't do that at all. It just serves to raise the level of fear, hysteria, and finger-pointing to still higher levels. That's not an environment where reasonable people can be heard, or reasonable discussions conducted (as you so rightly point out is so important). People become afraid to speak, and that is not good. That which is intended to have a "chilling effect" on the "bad guys" ends up chilling everybody. Skyla, are we in agreement about something? That is too cool.

For me, it's of no interest whatsoever whether Wes Germer never thought about BF, occasionally thought about BF, or constantly thought about BF, or at what time he did or didn't have these thoughts; nor do I care if he wants attention. I also don't care if he made up his story out of whole cloth. If he did, he is hurting no one by doing so. I personally dislike (intensely) any effort to portray the hairy guys as monsters, which Sasquatch Chronicles (from what I understand) appears to relish doing; but that doesn't mean he isn't /hasn't been providing a service of value to some people. I understand that the SC forum is (was?) a place where people could tell their encounter stories freely, without fear of being criticized and harrassed. That right there is a huge benefit to people who want and need to tell their stories. Why is it so necessary to destroy those opportunities for those people, or for anyone who just enjoyed listening to the show? As for the investigation into the Bob Garrett story mentioned above, I don't find it persuasive. I don't think a real investigator calls a possible perpetrator of a coverup; asks, "Are you the possible perpetrator of a coverup?"; gets the answer "No"; and accepts that answer as the truth -- not even if they get that answer multiple times from multiple possible cover-uppers. I'm not an investigator, but my guess is, that's not how investigations are carried out. Maybe an actual investigator could comment on this (and thanks in advance to any who do).

Here is my neighbors dog in North Dakota it's Great Dane mix. Albeit the track is older, but the clay out here turns to concrete when dry. Didn't see any evidence of claw marks but the dog runs on scoria a lot which is like crushed brick. The heel pad is still a vee towards the toes. Largest concentration of cats? Must be VI? My ranch is 30 miles south of Trail, BC. We have a lot of cats in the Selkirks too....

There is nothing funny about your constant and never-ending "kill club" rants, and no one who is at all familiar with these creatures sees any humor in them. Those of us who know full well that they exist need no convincing. You may "hold people responsible for what they think", but you have absolutely no regard for what they know. As for YOU holding anyone responsibility for anything, I suggest that a part of one of your previous replies is pertinent; "For whom no one needs to care a fig.". After reading hundreds of the unending posts you have made (the majority containing direct references to your delusional and grandiose scheme to kill a BF and place it on a slab for science), I and others are convinced that Sasquatch/Bigfoot has absolutely nothing to worry about from you. Anyone that believes they have more "woods smart" than those creatures is wasting their time. In the very unlikely event that one of the mature males decides to show himself to you; don't try the shot. Your project is not worth the loss of a vital body part. The critters get awful dang shaky when viewed through a rifle scope for some reason. Makes for bad shot placement. Some of the other pro-kill folks can attest to that.

I say bag it, tag it, and get it identified. Check the state regs to see if it is legal to hunt them. Stay out of California, and Washington as the rules against shooting them. Go to Texas or Mississippi as it seems it is legal there.

Just trying to show you the complications involved with an extant hominin ( subspecies of homo). You can't seperate the human parts from the nonhuman parts very easily and call it one or the other (human or nonhuman). If you throw in proto- language, crude tool usage, modern human mtDNA and a face like my avitar you will have a problem, not in terms of proof, but in terms of what is acceptable to the masses as reality. We have two categories for living mammals animal and human. It makes it easy to establish what set of rights living things have. It won't be at all easy for Sasquatch.

I agree. I'm not sure what it being suggested? That the "powers that be" changed the moon phases to make Sas. Chronicles to look like they are fabricating their encounter? I think the logical explanation is that they are fabricating their encounter. JMO.

Xion thanks for sharing some of your experiences. I do think that their woods-wise intelligence has ours beat all to hell!

Always great stories and no evidence The true believers can't stand the existence of a single thread on this forum that will only settle for hard undeniable proof Never ceases to amaze me what all these people know about an unknown animal

Those that believe they can and should kill one of these creatures "for science" must live in the capitol city of La La Land. Mankind comes in many various shapes, sizes, colors, and some have modes of travel that is not like that must of us use. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2698298/Turkish-family-walks-fours-scientists-say-dont-like-four-legged-animals-ARENT-example-reverse-evolution.html Where did you get the idea that man has always used and depended on fire and tools to survive? It would be murder.if their DNA showed they are relic humans. (But, again, if they are relic humans it would be a violation of this country's "Scientific Integrity" regulations, per Obama's Presidential Memo of 2010 for any scientist to publish anything about the examination of the body.) Residents of La La Land all share the same grossly erroneous beliefs that, (1) science & the federal government does not already know the DNA identity of these creature, (2) a body of one would be welcomed with opened arms by any scientist in the appropriate fields of study, (3) killing one would bring bring fame, glory and acclaim to all those who actually conspire to kill one of the creatures in a premeditated and deliberate manner and; (4) the worst that could happen to those involved would be a summons from a state game & fish enforcement officer for killing an animal for which there is no open season. I strongly suspect that you could not find or afford an attorney who would pursue your "charges" (or claim) against the G&F agency for not telling you about the "ape man" after reading your posts on this forum. The most voracious "pro-kill advocates" seem to be those who have never actually seen one of the creatures face-to-face, especially a young one that has not learned that some of "us" pose a serious and unjustified threat to them.

I'm afraid you just don't know that, it won't be your decision to make,it would be a consensus among scientists. Check this out........remember how human Neanderthals are suppose to be.......making fire and spears? Now some scientists are saying they were not and based on their nasal cavity. http://phys.org/news/2014-11-neanderthals-sub-species-modern-humans.html We are suppose to have Neanderthal DNA in us, so part of you is Non- human!!! It's a good thing Neanderthals aren't still around, because there would be some major political incorrectness going on here.

BC, Thanks for the pictures. I especially like the big cedar. Of course I'm partial since my yard is full of them. Give them another 100 years and maybe they'll be as big as that one. :-) Even a rainy day is a great day in the woods!

I think that Yuchi1 overlooks an important reality concerning public opinion about the sanctity of BF life. Do we need to be reminded at all that John Q. Public doesn't give a furry rat's posterior about BF? Is that suddenly and remarkably going to change because Norseman or anyone else plugs one? If there was that potential for outrage out there, we'd be seeing a magnitude larger interest in just the idea of the animal roaming wild. In this BFF bubble, some might have lost sight of the fact that this issue doesn't matter to the vast, vast majority who Yuchi1 is predicting will mutate into a howling mob clamoring for vengence. You've got to give a rip before that happens. (Nearly) nobody does.

Another installment in the adventures of the "Southwest BC Sasquatch Search Team" took place on Sunday, March 15th. On Fri. evening, we had planned an outing for Sunday, given the forecast for a nice sunny day, following a predicted deluge on Sat. Of course, they got that wrong, and Sunday at 0600 was wet and miserable, but we went ahead regardless, meeting at Thomas' at 0700, and finally getting on the highway about 40 minutes later, after a return to my place to exchange the loafers I had forgotten to change out for boots before leaving. Our destination was the same watershed we had checked out last fall, during the salmon run, with the aim of penetrating further along the logging roads and trails in the area. After driving in as far as possible on the logging road, we parked the 2 trucks, rucked up, in our rain gear, and set out along what started out initially as an ATV trail, but soon became a steep footpath, too narrow for any 4 wheel ATV. Even in the rain, the area was awesome, a prime example of 100 year old second growth, with some stands of first growth where it had been too steep for the old time hand loggers to work safely. There were lots of tracks evident on the path, but they were all boots and hooves. Eventually, one of the crew had some hamstring problems from the steepness of the trail, so we returned back along our route to the vehicles. At that time the light, but steady rainfall intensified , including some sleet and snow, so we did the rest of our trip up another long and interesting branch of the road system in the comfort of the trucks, noting that it would be worthwhile to return in better weather to explore beyond the passable sections on foot. No specimens were spotted, in spite of Jason's "gut feeling" that this would be his lucky day. After turning back and calling it done for the day, we stopped at an interesting roadside diner for some good greasy burgers, then home for a late afternoon nap, to dry out, warm up, and ease our aching calves. The first pic is one of the old growth cedars, with one of the guys for scale, while the second is the wider, level part of the trail.

That's just a tad melodramatic (hyperbolic, even), no? I especially liked the bit about the suicidal bigfoot hunter. Classy touch!

Call me wild and crazy but I'll be watching for the news story when they lead you downtown in cuffs (and bulletproof vest) while an angry crowd screams murderer and spits in your face. Your home will be besieged with protesters, the media and every form of nutjob imaginable to haunt your family and friends. If the DNA results come back as lower primate you will likely only be charged with felony animal cruelty, but probably lose your home, guns, job and the right to vote. Should the results come back as a level of homo sapien classification, the charges will only escalate and the pain level even more intense, for you and yours. After the criminal case is concluded, the raft of civil actions will commence, effectively wiping out any remaining assets you have worked years to accrue. If the kill occurs on federal lands, amp up the ante exponentially. Then, a few years later while you're standing on top of the bridge railing, looking into the murky water below, a sparrow alights beside you and without a sound you hear the words, I told you so....

What if they turn out to not be an "animal" and justification for biologic research or teaching, et. al. is not relevant because of legal issues? After all, you're trying to kill something of which your are totally ignorant thereof such as actual populations.* *..."A voucher specimen of such a species may be warranted, but consideration must be given to what effects this may have on the viability of the local population. Factors to be evaluated include the species' abundance (local and overall), life history characteristics, role in ecosystem, ability to recolonise, size of area in question, age and sex of the animal to be collected, etc."...