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What does any of that actually mean? You write a lot but don't seem to be saying anything that addresses the root problem. All you've done is seemingly deflect (or ignore) the question of why you have given two mutually exclusive accounts of the events surrounding the photo. I have never said you are a hoaxer or that the photo in question is a hoax. It is my opinion that the photo itself is ambiguous and no amount of analysis (of the photo itself) will change that. The image is simply not clear enough to be definitive, but I would venture a guess that you really do see a bigfoot in the picture. No problem there. As you have said yourself: The stumbling block for me is that you first stated that you took the photo unaware that there were bigfoot in it, only noting "a quick glimpse of something darting from the trees." Three quotes from the Monroe Talks forum by member "whispers": Here in this thread you later made these statements which seem to contradict the ones quoted above: Which of these two accounts is correct? If it is simply a mistake of grammar, syntax, or vocabulary, why not state that clearly and correct the record? Instead, your responses seem to be those of someone who has chosen to play the victim and then you argue, deflect, ignore, and obfuscate when questions are raised. Either of your accounts I could (and would) consider objectively, but not both together when compared side-by-side. The inherent contradictions won't let me. Much like Fox Mulder, I, in a sense, want to believe. Unfortunately I am unable to because I cannot synthesize your two conflicting narratives. Please throw me (us) a bone and consider clearing up why the two accounts differ. In deference to WSA's request above, I apologize to him for the further derail, and will look forward to your response on this matter (and the thoughts of other interested members) in the appropriate thread found here: http://bigfootforums.com/index.php/topic/49226-monroe-monster/

I see a broken tree trunk, that looks remarkably like a cow. (Sorry...couldn't resist) Well, I have no reason to doubt the person on the ground who took this shot knew very well what he was shooting at. Those who would substitute their judgment for Gumshoe's have really about zero standing on this point with me. Instead of starting a rock fight over the photo, as we are wont to do at times like these, once, just once, I'd like to see somebody have the self-possession to simply respond, "Hmmm....could you tell me more about this?" Too often in the rush to prove ourselves the smartest kid in class we step on our own, well, you know..... So, I'll just ask that if nobody else will: "Gumshoe, could you tell us more about this?"

I think you just showed us how unnecessary a body is to answer this particular question. (And in case it's not perfectly obvious, I think it's unnecessary for every other question that's ever been raised about BF.) But anyway, it's a brave person that pokes holes in their own theories. Also want to say I've smelled a bad smell that followed me, on and off, for an eighth of a mile or so one day, and we don't have volcanoes or lava tubes or anything like that in my part of the world. And yeah, I think the reports show the smell thing happens pretty much all over.

No offense taken, BTW, but I'm confident that no human made those marks. The widest teeth marks were slightly wider than my upper front teeth, which are a little wider than normal. I had picked up all the apples that were on the ground just before dark that night. The cows got the bad ones & I brought the good ones in the house. There was no one here but Hubby & I & he didn't go back out after I brought the apples in. This house can't be seen from the road & we have no close neighbors. The closest one would have had to walk a quarter mile to get to the tree, & they would never have been sneaking around here at night. They're good neighbors that tend to their own business & have no children at home. The BFs know that I don't mind & have never been shy about taking fruit & vegetables from the garden. I heard some of them in the yard that night & found the apple early the next morning. The young ones almost always leave parts of fruit, but the larger ones don't. It was the second time the young ones had left pieces of fruit under the tree, but I didn't keep the others. I only kept this one because Melba had told me she was planning another study & if I found anything else she might want it. Your pictures of the little piles of bones are familiar. Hubby had filleted two big catfish one evening & left the scraps in a 5 gallon bucket beside the porch. The next morning there was a little pile of fish bones stacked on the porch. It looked like someone had sat on the steps, cleaned all the remaining meat off the bones, & stacked them in a neat pile. I can't remember if the skin had been eaten or if the bones had just been cleaned, but everything was neat, the bucket hadn't been turned over. It was obvious that it hadn't been an animal that did it.

testing https://youtu.be/eNBPniDJSFM hummm, I'll look into it...

It seems to me that if a BF manipulated a tree by twisting it or breaking it, it would be wise to look for hair and other evidence. There should be footprints right by the tree... IMO, this is the worst kind of "evidence", probably worst than howls and screams.

I already know they exist & don't need or desire any further proof. Besides, there's that bigfoot curse that people have to deal with when they get too close to "proof". I don't think you would have been tempted to make a smoothie out of this one. I dug around in the freezer & found it & it's in pretty bad shape.

we dont know.......

Tradeoffs here. I agree and plus WSA. There are more interesting things to do than just run around yelling "hoax" at everyone who doesn't produce PROOF that satisfies your demands. On the other hand, the seeming change over time in gumshoeye's story and the comparison of the original picture and the cropped version which removes context needed for accurate assessment raises orange, if not red, flags. I posted in support of its validity recently but I have doubts now after comparing the versions of the story told the and now and comparing the two pictures. I'm not really convinced it is a hoax, either, but the "eyebrow of doubt" is rising. MIB

The knocking thing has been one of my peeves for some time. People are doing it when they have no idea what it means to BF. The only data I have is that it may prevent an encounter. When I have entered areas now and then I hear a single knock. What is their purpose for doing that? Is the BF protocol to knock back once? Twice? If I do it wrong for sure they will know I am not a BF. If I do knock back the BF will have some idea of where I am. I don't want them to know. If they want to know, I want them to come looking for me and hopefully blunder into sight when they do. The better they can determine where I am the less likely there is for a chance encounter. I know if they knock several times in rapid succession, it is because they have seen me and they want to warn another BF that I am there. I know that from an encounter I had. If someone can provide data and show me that it has some useful purpose to knock, then I might consider taking it up. But just because some guys on a TV show do it, is not reason enough for me. With the number of human knockers in the woods right now, a knock is most likely is another researcher.

I am with you Beerhunter on missing Monsterquest. That was a good show