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What really bothers me and this forum seems to put up with it, is Crow saying in no certain terms that people who find footprints in very out of the way places are hoaxers or fakers. He is not content to think there might be some like Freeman who did it, but everyone who finds one is somehow involved in the same thing. That includes me, Meldrum, Krantz, Binderngel, and anyone else that has found a footprint. Everyone is wrong and Crow and his fellow skeptic squawkers are right. Let me say this loud and clear, I have never encountered such sheer egotism that can proclaim people with and without PHDs are not only wrong but they are fakers and hoaxers. I have posted several footprint pictures on this forum that I have found. I have to defend each and every one. Yet these 'skeptics' are not required to produce any evidence to support their contention that what I have submitted is a hoax or fake. They can just say it and walk away with impunity. That is tolerated by the administrators and I have nearly been thrown off here for challenging what I consider libelous statements by skeptics. If my claims require supporting evidence then some skeptics claims about my evidence should too. If they cannot produce evidence to support their claim of hoax then they should be censured just as I am when I cannot produce evidence to support my claims.

I think what we have here is an academic elitist. As I recall the German scientific community said similar things about Einstein in his time. There was a reason why he left Germany and came to the US.

DWA, skeptics don't believe in BF because that is too outlandish to comprehend but they seem believe that Ray Wallace is hoaxing footprints and trackways 13 years after his death in 2002. Talk about paranormal! I want how that can happen explained to me. Note to hoaxers: Look up Ray Wallace on Wikipedia and see what your legacy could be. The report on him is scathing. I think any hoaxer alive would be better off fessing up now and saying it was all a joke than having your children and grandchildren reading about you in Wikipedia after you pass away.

Wrong wrong double wrong! Meldrum bindernagel, and krantz are wrong in not recognizing that all the bigfoot evidence can be attributed to human error, hoaxing, and lies lies lies. Truth bazooka right there. Or maybe they do/did and just wanted to make a buck and get some fame and recognition. If they really had the goods why couldn't they get more bigfoot science published in legitimate journals? The era of the layman scientist is over and dead these so called laymen bigfoot scientists should stick to their inferior beer, nascar, and guns and leave the heavy scientific work to the academic elite.

Here's a link to the next day investigation. https://youtu.be/Yqn5YR6rsHQ After watching both the night and day investigations, my take on the evidence is a wild party where they caught their tent on fire and tried to put it out by scattering the fire. There's an obvious lack of any other camping gear; no coolers, no camp chairs, no clothing, just garbage. The footprints were inconclusive and Garrett stated this. If there was blood in the area Garrett didn't spend much time looking at it or discussing it. I really liked the Jack Links jerky package found under the tent! To me the only mystery is what tore up the woods behind the camp. But most of what I saw broken was rotten trees it appeared. The big X is a question mark. Maybe something did spook them from the woods and they took off leaving the tent since it was a loss anyway. But, that is just speculation.

You got us there Crowlogic. Dang it, I sure didn't consider that. It is so brilliant in its simplicity I just have to concede. One guy fabricates one track way decades ago..., so we are precluded from ever, ever treating any other tracks as authentic, no matter where or when they were found, or what other evidence coincides with their discovery. I mean, Check and MATE!! Crap and double-crap. Have mercy on us, will you? (DWA, stop wasting your time. That was just Ray Wallace or one of his minions who made those tracks you found) This just in too...that horse I thought I saw in a circus when I was 10? Turns out is was a costume. Good to know too. I was about to plunk some serious coin down to buy a "horse." Dodged that one by golly. Thanks Crow!

I don't think anyone has it all figured out. Some are simply more experienced than others. Jane Goodall lived with chimps, is/was an expert on them, and we're still learning things about them. Each level of knowledge simply reveals and provides access to a deeper level of questions. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss, though, the possibility that someone can have repeated encounters with bigfoot. If, for example, you live along a migratory route through arid country and right on top of one of the few potable water sources surrounded by better vegetation and an assortment of small prey (essentially an oasis), you're more likely to encounter them on a seasonal basis. If you camp in dozens of places in the Sierras over the years and find one particularly isolated beautiful spot that you go back to time and again, don't be surprised if they favor it for the same reasons you do (isolation, food sources, water sources, fish, etc), and don't be surprised if they interact with you repeatedly. But these are happenstance. Could a person go further and develop an understanding that locations like those above improve his/her chances of encountering and interacting with them? Why not? It is essentially the scientific method. If it pans out there's no reason why that individual shouldn't be able to develop the opportunity to gain more knowledge if they can more regularly put themselves in the same time and space as a group of bigfoot.

We won't know what they are until they are officially discovered through a body or DNA sample. Once that happens at least science will then send biologists into the field to study them further. It will be a process, but as of yet we haven't taken the first step. Which is to convince humanity they exist......... Right now they live next to Pixies and Gnomes.