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Sorry, I disagree again. There was no possibility that Hank was real. Yet Media was all over it. They knew he was a hoaxer, but they covered it anyway. I believe they did it to make all of bigfooting look bad. Standing... another example. Just look at the Muppetheads and tell me they thought there was a chance it was real. They KNEW it wasn't. But it was all over the media. The stuff Media has picked up lately has had ZERO chance of being real.... and they knew it. You give them more credit than they deserve. I find it interesting that you believe the Media thinks those stories had a chance of being real, when very few in the BF community gave it a chance. I think... or I know they didn't think those strories were real. But, they covered them. I knew there would be a follow up story saying... it was fake. Another BF story... HOAX. Why don't they cover interesting stories by people with nothing to gain and everything to lose, that has no other possible explanation.... can't be proven a hoax, and upon careful review, can't be rules a hoax? I think I know why. Do you?

Personally, I'm shocked that SO was able to pull the following he did for so long. The latest twist in this saga is just par for the course as far as I'm concerned. The "evidence," photos of fish eyes, the calling of his name on audio (which sounded like a teenage boy burping, IMO), and the claims of the Mighty Squatch shattering lake ice with its mighty roar all led me to believe that this guy was out there a bit... well, a lot, actually. Again, my humble opinion. The problem with hitching your wagon to a horse like this is that you have to put faith in their claims without ever seeing any substantiation whatsoever. Evidence should have been simple enough to obtain, especially if the guy was on a first name basis with the beast. A GoPro cam present at the next round of tic-tac toe would have sufficed, along with the hair samples that would inevitably fall from the creature. After all, the things were abundantly available, allegedly. It was a nice fantasy for the guy while it lasted, but, like with the other claims made regarding the creature, the storyline fails when evidence is required. Let's face it - If a girlfriend can shatter the fantastical claims made by this guy there was never anything really there to begin with. Scientific discovery of Bigfoot should have been a piece of cake if his claims were accurate.

We aren't debating, though, whether or not bigfoot are or can be violent. I'm certain they can be. We're debating the veracity of a particular claim of Bob Garrett's that was communicated through his YouTube channel and the SasChron podcast about finding a particular campsite destroyed by, and campers killed by, a rampaging bigfoot.

What relevance to the existence of BF does an ape in the Amazon have? Not a whole lot.

Mankind itself has gone through evolutions where skills and knowledge disappeared with civilizations. With the cradle of humanity around the Mediterranean Sea, many fairly advanced civilizations have been destroyed by volcanic eruptions, earthquakes, tsunamis, etc. Throw in the fact that mankind loves to conquer and destroy other cultures along with all of their records and knowledge. The Minoans were quite advanced and are thought to have even sailed to North America. But their entire civilization along with advanced tool and metal use was destroyed in a volcanic eruption and tsunami. Their culture was unknown to mankind until ruins were found in the 20th century. The fewer the number of an culture the more likely cultural knowledge like tool use dies out with individuals or groups. Perhaps the scattered BF settlements and few numbers have caused such cultural knowledge and tool usage to die out in many areas because without writing there is no way to transfer that information to follow on generations if knowledgeable individuals die. I am sure it is much like humans in the hunter gatherer stage of development before settlements. Individuals or small groups did not interact much with other small groups because they normally had territorial and adversarial relationships competing for the same food sources. From what little we know about BF it seems they have the same issues with territory. That tends to compartmentalize tribes and minimize transfer of cultural knowledge tribe to tribe.

I don't think everyone thinks that they are all friendly forest giants. Personally, I think if they do exist, there are probably ones who are not so friendly. Obviously, I don't think they all are that way or there would be reports of more mangled hunters found in the forests. If they are out there, it's a given that they are elusive and avoid humans, for the most part. There possibly could be those that would just as soon tear a person to shreds as look at them - but they don't act on those impulses because their desire to remain unknown is stronger. But I struggle with that concept because I think if they are real... they would have to be awfully intelligent to be able to go through the thought process involved in thinking through the consequences of their actions. I don't know... I wish I did!

Those international escapades have been a bit hard on Bobo; first he got sliced in the ankle by the boomerang in Oz, and as I recall that was still bothering him in Nepal where he also was laid low by a pretty severe G.I. tract reaction to the local cuisine. Hopefully he made it through the Amazon adventure without further injury or malady (he should probably stick to MRE's when abroad).

Sunflower, Why don't (or won't) you address any of the other questionable evidence Mike has put forth (the aforementioned hand print being but one example)? You're like a broken record on the voice, while ignoring some other pretty sketchy "evidence". For the sake of discussion, do you have an idea or opinion why, to keep with a single example, the referenced hand print appears to be an obvious fabrication?

Daveedoe, I wondered about the burn as I know it burned over that area. Perhaps because the area is just above the tree line they decided to terrace for erosion prevention and plant in the terraces. I have other pictures that show terrace without anything growing. What got me up there was the Indian Pit discussion on a USFS description of the area. The Forest Service says they are believe to have been used by the Indians but do not know the purpose. The Thompson pits in Clackamas County have been associated with BF rodent hunting. When I located the pits on Google Earth I noticed the terracing which looks similar to terraces in South America. I cannot tell from the air if the terraces are made by heavy equipment or hand. They appear to be rocky in nature. There is a faint trail, not well used, that goes around the outcropping and comes around on and you can see it on the South side of the outcropping. In the second picture you can see a faint y to the left. It could work its way around the East side of the rock out cropping and joint up with the faint trail portion you see on the top left of the outcropping. But the trail that leads right into the cliff is more used. I think it is probably curiosity at looking into the rift, or cave, whatever it is, so anyone on that trail segment just goes and takes a look to see what is in there, and why the trail leads in there. Sometimes you see the same thing near overlooks. People go off trail because they notice other people have to take in the view, and that forms a side trail going nowhere. Another possibility is that the rock climbers could use the cliffs as a practice climb area and that explains why that portion of the trail leading into the cliff face is so well used. I would climb up there but am reluctant because I have been having left knee problems and a climb like that might not be a good idea right now. I did publish the location so anyone capable and interested can take a look. If so let me know and I will give you as much information about finding the side trail that I know from seeing it from the air. The terraces are just North of Pyramid Rock on the East side of the ridge. Access to that would be from the trailhead off of FR1200. The shortest way into the cliff face would be the trail head for Silver Star Mountain. For those that do not know both are basically the same ridge. Silver Star to the North and Pyramid Rock to the South on the same ridge. It was pretty interesting taking pictures and flying along the ridge without running into something.

Excellent Post and Point. It really is ridiculous to see some of the responses that people make when someone points out obvious problems with evidence. If you point out something that should be obvious, like the hand print, and give your reasons as to why you feel it is not a BF hand print, you immediately get accused of being closed minded, a meany head, and disbeliever, a skoftic, trolling, etc....I have even seen people banned from groups when someone posted something asking for feedback. They ask for opinions, yet when a single opinion is posted that is not suggesting that the evidence is the product of a BF - BAM! That person is attacked for using critical thinking skills when offering their opinion. Why ask for opinions if you only want praise and compliments. Makes no sense to me.

After reading the latest thread on the Paranormal page here, Sasquatch Ontario is starting to sound pretty darn tame to me. t

Please send your opinion to Cornell? Maybe you are more educated in sound analysis than those who actually do this for a living? Or better yet, record your own and send it to Cornell and then they can identify your pathetic attempt at recreating the sounds???

I have been sitting on the sidelines watching this thread with because I know BigTreeWalker and his son and have done field work with them. Their names will be tied with the paper eventually but I have a confidentiality agreement with them concerning that and some other things of mutual interest. I am not directly part of the project but have agreed to contribute should I find anything of interest to them. I have not met Mr Townsend but from what I do know, they are very different. Father and son are very knowledgeable and excellent trackers. They are a bigger part of the project than you would gather from reading the press releases. I might add that anyone who does field work and wants to contribute to their project should know that while they would like to personally document any chewed on bone stacks, if that is not possible because of distance and schedules, the stack itself needs to be carefully documented and photographed before anything is moved. The order of stacking, the surrounding area, as well as the bones themselves with the bite marks could all be important. I am sure that BigTreeWalker would like to hear about any finds so contact him directly here with PM to determine what needs to be done. Even after the paper is published the project will continue to gather data.