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I wouldn't be so concerned about the meaning of a vocalization, though I'd still want to know, but to simply know that it's them when I hear it. Knowing their calls means you can find them and make contact if they are willing. The long distance calls would make sense as a way to simply make contact with their own kind. I'm sure they get spread out over large areas amd the cooler night air carries them well. Some consistency in these calls must exist or they wouldn't know when they call each other. It's that simple.

The TBRC was formed by people that had their own sightings back around 1999. Some members later joined from the BFRO. They came into contact with property owner of area X around that time in 2003 I think. They named the property area X in 2006 when they launched operation forest vigil consisting of camera traps deloyed in several different areas including X ,Y and Z. They've been working area X for at least ten years and attempting to collect a specimen for about 5 years. Most of their members were determined knowers well before they launched their continuous presence operations in X. They were skeptical of most information about bigfoot though, and in my eyes, it set them back on their progress.

Tell me, show me - Why? You wouldn't believe it anyway. I am done responding to folks who have nothing better to do with their time then to waste ours.

I lost a lot of my aerial pictures when my computer died recently. I had a video I took as I did a tour around Skamania County. Pretty much the whole county as seen from the air. Starting at the South along the Columbia gorge and going counterclockwise around the county. Lost the whole thing. I have a few left that I had backed up. This first picture is Ape Canyon on the East flank of St Helens. Here is a view of St Helens you don't see much. Rainer taken from the flank of St Helens.

I don't think anyone really contested the human DNA results. You may see failures but that can also be progress. Maybe we'll eventually prove the negative. (snicker) Maybe the human results wasn't a negative. It's not like it contradicts that much of the tangible evidence.

I am no expert on BF research, but am trying to figure out how folks are conducting research (or what methods or strategies they are using). To brainstorm out of box ideas, I needed to first understand what is in the box. To pursue BF research, folks need to answer at least 5 key questions: where to go, when to go, who will go, what to do and how to do it? I will not address the where, when, and who. The what to do and how to do it is what interest me (hopefully people know where the hot spots are and whether it is better to research at night or day). The table below is a matrix of methods (not comprehensively exhaustive) that I have discerned from reading and from 3 BFRO expeditions that I have attended. The matrix is broken down into two parameters: the frequency of visits to the hot-spot by the researcher and the type of methods/practices used. On the BFRO methods, I can only speak from my limited experience with two different approaches used. While both used wood knocks and vocalizations, one leader did not want NV or Thermal Imagers used and wanted to instead pursue the less aggressive route of being quite or playing music. What Habituators and Local researchers do was my first pass guesstimate based on what I have read. I am sure there is a diverse crowd out there with many different approaches. But is any of these approaches fruitful and yielding evidence? I have not seen any proper analytical study of what approaches work best. I suspect that BFRO has a huge database from all their expeditions that they could analyze and extract how fruitful it was to wood knock and howl and what worked best. NAWAC just published their monograph, but they did not analyze what conditions or methods were more likely to yield a sighting and they gave up on game cameras. Was it random? I think random visits to hot spots is not very fruitful. I think being present all the time (like NAWAC does during the summers) is the better approach. Granted, for local researchers who need to work for a living that is not a feasible alternative. So frequent and repetitive visits to the local hot spot is the next best option.

Its not a campfire story when it happens to you. It happened to me; that is why I am here. I do accept that many of the stories are indeed fictional, but I also accept that not all are. I've seen them close up. In the face of no evidence or experience your argument is perfectly logical. But you might want to try on the idea that some people have had first-hand experience that is not so easily discounted. What about them? Belief is different from knowledge. An example of belief is that the PGF is fake. An example of knowledge is that Patty's joints don't line up with the joints of a human. That is the 'miracle' of the PGF... An example of belief is that BF is real. An example of knowledge is that a person experienced one from no more than 8 feet away in good lighting. That sort of knowledge can't be taken away and is not subject to the whims of often made-up stories that comprise the foundation of belief. The two are quite different!