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I do not know Ray but I'm sad to hear this and give my heartfelt condolences.

Over my scientific lifetime, human and prehuman origins have been pushed further and further back. Not much I was taught in college is even valid any more. Nothing in human history would really surprise me because of fragmented, and huge gaps in the fossil record, and the fact that most of what we know about human history is constantly found to be wrong. Beyond that the Sumerian culture was supposed to be the dawn of civilization and before that mankind was groups of wandering hunter gatherers. Fast forward to now, and we know that complex civilizations predate the Sumarian's by thousands of years. Gobekli Tepe, a complex megalithic site in Turkey, may date back to as much as 14,000 years ago. Those structures of massive monoliths adorned with modern looking sculptures were hardly thrown up by hunter gatherers. Either known human history is wrong, or we have been sharing the planet with alien intelligences. I have to think that we are pretty much clueless about human origins and even more clueless about the history of other primates on this planet.

I'm not believing a word of any of this without a blurry photo and a red circle.

I read that last night. I was impressed. This type of evidence is much more interesting than speculation. As I said in another thread ,perhaps just perhaps Bigfoot bury their dead and no wonder we can't find them.

Thanks for that clarification, JKH, and sorry I got that muddled up. Nightwalker, that's cool, that you're seeing so much 'sign'.... I really love the tree bends, too, and the little shock you feel when things are rearranged or missing altogether. I don't have any theories about the tree bends, but the water thing is a possibility, for sure. I think there's a thread going right now, in the General section, about stick formations and tree stuff. What I really wanted to say, though, is that I think you're pretty caught up with the state of the art about now.... You're the expert now, as much as anyone else, and we'll be learning from YOU, hearing about your adventures. Divergent, I can't answer your question directly, for several reasons, but I think I can address your larger question, if we back up a bit.... The hairy guys have been connecting to us for a long time, including during times when there wasn't much difference between the way they lived and the way we lived. First Nation peoples have been exchanging things (and food) with them for a long time, and it isn't always about providing stuff that the other one doesn't have. BF eat a lot of what we eat. Did you see the recent video the Browns made, about the people who helped heal a BF's broken leg, and got all kinds of game as a 'thank you' on a regular basis for quite a while afterward? The people who helped the BF could've caught their own turkeys and deer and whatever, which the BF clearly understood. But that wasn't the point of the gifts. The point was to communicate something -- and to me, it seems pretty clear it was gratitude the BF were expressing. So I'm just saying there's a shared consciousness, a shared awareness that food is a sign of friendship and connection. It doesn't matter whether the party getting the food really likes the food or not, or has ready or limited access to it. Not at first, anyway. As you get to know each other, you might get to understand better what an individual's tastes are, and then the gifts can become even more meaningful... But nobody will mind if you give them an apple they could pick themselves off a tree somewhere. Here, as in most places, it's truly the thought that counts.