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I can confirm the last. L-N-P is indeed a proven hoaxer. She was the creator of the Sru Lake hype. At least one of the people who she claimed as her source / a member of her "team" did not exist and the picture of him she was providing was a picture of someone else who was identified, located, and was was able to confirm the location the specific picture was taken. He was very shocked to find out his image was a star in a bigfoot hoax. Sru Lake is basically in my back yard, or at least my old back yard, and I've spent many hours there, and literally years within 10 miles or less. We knew it by a different name back then, changed for political correctness. Once the connection between the old and new names was apparent, I did my own followup investigation in person. There was zero evidence to support her claims. There was also zero evidence that could have been interpreted as supporting a coverup of what she claimed. It's bad. It's as bad as it gets in the BF world which is pretty darn bad. MIB

No.... MIB said to "predefine the assumptions Hart was allowed to work from .. which failed." was disingenuous. Instead of asking me about the topic to get my take on it your comment wasn't making a statement or asking a question about the topic; it was just a blanket statement about me to the forum of which you leave open ended for others to fill in the details with their less than mature banter, which you repeat MIB's nonsense. When the conversation turns personal to focus on participants its digressed into a pettiness that should not be apart of adult discussion. You can deny it was an in my face comment all you want but you were championing Dr. Hart as someone who would clear the nonsense and set things straight; so, when you ask "Interesting, Wonder why Jayjeti dropped out of the conversation when Hart jointed us," other anti-Ketchum stalwarts ran with your inference. And I was part of the conversation with Dr. Hart. I asked Dr. Hart a few questions and thanked him for his response. Then he engaged in some interesting conversations with several, like Southernyahoo, about things I don't have the ability to ascertain right from wrong, but since I didn't wade into their jargon for two days you want to point out my odd absence in the face of your good doctor. I would prefer this discussion just focus on the topic. I joined myself to this thread asking this, "If this lab comes forward claiming to have duplicated her work will they be attacked with the same attacks, like it must have been contaminated to get those results, etc. as was done with Dr. Ketchum, or will this vindicate her, that her work was accurate? " No one seemed to want to answer the question if it would vindicate her, but mainly wanted to rehash how Melba messed it all up, and I became a participant in the discussion. I was a main participant but whether I was leading or controlling the conversation is a matter of perception. There were people, like you, wanting your facts put forward and bringing in participants in the discussion and I was answering your's and their comments.

Thanks for the link, Bonehead. The information in it provides sufficient cause for me to discard Linda Newton Perry as a reliable source of information.

I had a feeling this story originated from Bigfoot Ballyhoo. From the mind of Linda Newton Perry along with all her other fabricated stories and phony contributors. She likes to pull pictures and names off the net and build phony stories around them.

But, what if there is no third party? It's quite clear. Per my statement you just quoted, I'm forced to toss it on the "invalidated evidence" pile.

Linda Newton-Perry makes it invalid, barring any third-party confirmation.

Jay, what is the provenance of this photo? ETA- Nevermind. Found it: https://environment.yale.edu/alumni/classes/1930/ Interesting. ETA 2- So the source of this letter is anonymous contributor "Sophia" via Linda Newton-Perry's Bigfoot Ballyhoo blog? I'm out.

Here here WSA and DWA! I agree no one would report these experiences to law enforcement if these events weren't actually occurring. Here is more examples of reports to police. Boilerplate as WSA calls It in the trade. http://metro.co.uk/2010/10/21/helpful-ghosts-and-shrewfoot-fairies-in-paranormal-hotspots-across-the-uk-555278/ http://ufohunterorguk.com/2012/03/16/devon-and-cornwall-freedom-of-information-act-request-recent-supernatural-ufos/ According to the uk police reports there are numerous fairies and helpful spirits. Also poor cornwall and Devon. The police there have to deal with the lots ghosts and ufos, one poor fellow apparently had Paul newmans ghosts bloting ink on pictures of Jesus. People don't make this stuff up and report it to the police. Boilerplate

A great read and thanks for sharing. Sadly, no evidence what so ever .

Actually, reading the report it was primarily 50's and 60's when the bodies were examined. The report says H.A. Miller graduated from Yale in 1930. There is an H.A. Miller in this 1930 Yale photo.

Since you have failed to respond, I have to ask again: who introduced anything resembling denialism? You talk often about keeping the subject on topic and avoiding arguments about existence, yet here you are preaching about denialism when no one said anything remotely denialist. Try taking your own advice and getting off your soapbox for a post or two. I'm sorry, the answer to my question is that no one did. My intention was not to derail this thread with this post, but to hopefully demonstrate to you, DWA, that you are more often the one that starts the derail, even with no valid seque.

12, 267 actual scientists considered state of evidence and conclude "No bigfoot." Two posters, one a self-appointed scientist consider state of evidence and conclude "No brainer. It's obvious bigfoot exists." Incorrigible1 considers overwhelming difference and concludes "Go with actual scientists." Drops mic.

Does this flight have barf bags?