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Might or might not be accurate, I don't have a dog in that particular fight, but it makes it somewhat necessary to point something out. We had "hairy wildman" reports in SW Oregon back into the 1890s. "georgerm" can verify this. Sixes Wildman, Thompson's Flat, couple instances in the Chetco river drainage, and into the Dora / Sitkum area on the Coquille ... at bare minimum. These were not merely large "Indians" with long hair. If sasquatch is just another tribe, then equating sasquatch and bigfoot is erroneous. Trying to push all the weird parts into one heap and demand a single consistent explanation for all of them may not fit. Splitters and blenders, whatever you want to call them. Just as much as any other arrangement by "camp", we fall on a spectrum between trying to lump everything into one kind vs trying to define a separate kind based on every nuance. Look how the BF community lines up on dogman. It's akin to mixing paint. Finesse. Don't pour your blue and yellow together to make green, even though you need green the most, 'til you are absolutely sure you won't need either blue or yellow again 'cause it's a lot harder to separate them out after mixing. MIB

Hello Bodhi, Whoooooo baby! Nice post.

Again I ask: Would the Forest Service instruct new employees on their secret agenda? Once accepted, would new employees swear an oath to never divulge what they know? If a FS employee developed an emotional attachment to the benefit of the bigfoot creature, would he/she not feel compelled to break the secret? Do any of you see just how much this is all necessary conjecture? In other words: special pleading. C'mon, there can not be any grand illusion necessary for this to occur. Some concerned employee would have busted the myth necessary for this conjecture. Sorry 'bout that, Chief.

Well...... Yes, I recall it. Have used Mr. Branson's prime statement as part of my signature line for a while. There are a LOT of "Mr. Bransons" now retired from the NFS in OK, AR, MS and AL that will now tell you the exact same thing if you respectfully ask them privately about the critters. Not just NFS retirees either; LEO's are fed up with the muzzles they've had to wear. If asked they will tell you in a heartbeat the critters exist. A good friend of mine who is a LEO in AL really KNOWS. If a know-nothing skeptic tries to get his goat; he makes them an offer to self educate themselves. They are welcome to spend the night in his deer stand without using a light while in it. No takers yet. (He and his Dad's very recent and very odd experience on the deer lease will be the last "case" in the book which I just finished. The Kindle version should be released in a few more days. The paperback will be out in a week or so.)

MIB, This creature is the first mention of sasquatch. Not of all mentions of wild men, etc. Coleman's "The Field Guide to Bigfoot and Other Mystery Primates" 1988 lists the monster Grendel from the poem Beowulf as a mystery primate. Other tribes had ogres and wild men that have been shoe-horned, IMO, into the modern concept of sasquatch creating a chimera of an animal that continues to evolve to this day as new behavior is reported (again this is my opinion only) but it does seem a bit like the European settlers telling Native Americans how to understand their own legends. Grover Krantz complained about bigfootery's tendency to do this in "Bigfoot Sasquatch Evidence" 1999. There are stories in Suttles "Coast Salish Essays" which relate underground dwarves, soul-stealing ogres, and human-like (except for a 6 foot long quartz spike growing out of the big toe of their right foot) creatures reported by the Quinault People? All "wild men" to be sure but certainly not sasquatch and part of the history of the Salish from the Fraser Valley. There's an ogress, Dzunkuk'wa who is also a cannibal. These are all stories from Suttles "Coast Salish Essays". The ogress is not part of a group she is a monster who steals children and carries them off in a basket (like Krampus?) and then cooks and eats them. So I want to draw a distinction between all wild man stories and the stories about the sasquatch people, the creatures for whom the name was coined by Burns. The sasquatch people as described related by Burns and described by the eyewitnesses with whom he spoke are sasquatches. Let's not conflate the other stories of wild men with these, very specifically named and described creatures/peoples/tales.

Norse, The earliest accounts from the Salish come from the Fraser Valley in B.C.in the 1920's as collected by John W. Fraser. He was the one who took the Halkomelem language/word of the Coast Salish People and anglicized it into sasquatch. As per Suttles', Coast Salish Essays in 1974. Burns was an "Indian agent" and teacher who worked on the Chelhalis Indian Reserve near Harrison Hot Springs. He started to collect the stories told to him by friends and after three years of he was allowed to talk to eyewitnesses among the tribe. As per J.W. Burns' interview/article in, "Introducing B.C.'s Hairy Giants" in Macleans April 1, 1929 & reprinted by John Green in "The Sasquatch File" 1973. Those witnesses described sasquatches as men. In fact John Green's explains that the first reports described sasquatch as giant Indians with clothes, fire, weapons and living in villages. They were called hairy giants but it was understood that the phrase meant the they had long hair on their heads. As per John Green, "On the Track of the Sasquatch" 1968. From what I've read the "modern" sasquatch started in 1957 when B.C. released funding for the celebration of the B.C. centennial and Harrison Hot Springs asked for asked $600 for a sasquatch hunt as a publicity stunt. This is where John Green steps in as a figure in sasquatch lore. Per his book "On the Track of the Sasquatch" 1968. The stunt gained all sorts of advertising and promotion as news papers around the world ran the story. Per the Vancouver Sun "Let's Not Forget the Sasquatchewan Trade" 1957. The B.C. Centennial Committee offered $5000 for an alive "hairy man". Per Vancouver Sun - "Wanted: Sasquatch-$5000 Reward" 1957. This might have been when Dahinden did his first expedition as well. At this time Burns affirmed that sasquatch were believed by the Salish to be their descendants. Per Vancouver Sun "Nothing Monstrous About Sasquatch, Says Their Pal" 1957. It was only now that William Roe stepped forward with his claim of a eyewitness sighting of sasquatch giving it the modern description of being ape-like. Per John Green in both "On the Track of the Sasquatch" 1968 and "The Best of Sasquatch Bigfoot" 04. Roe claimed that the sighting occurred in 1955 though, while he was hiking. Roe's account is around, I think that Coleman has a description of in the book "Bigfoot!" ( I don't know the year of that one). Funny thing is Roe is a bit of an unknown. Green was mailed a sworn statement purportedly from Roe or a friend of Roe's but he never interviewed him and no one ever visited the sight where Roe claimed to have had the sighting. Per Green "On the Track of the Sasquatch" 1968. Nor could Green find anyone to whom Roe had told his story to prior the the 1957 publicity stunt. Again, Green "On the Track of the Sasquatch" 1968. That's the origin of the original sasquatch people and the modern iteration as I understand it. I welcome additional information.

As an aside, if you wished to remain largely undetected would you employ tactics that would virtually guarantee detection such as constructing dwelling structures, use of fire, farming and other such activities that would require remaining in one place for an extended time period and thus, leaving substantially more forensic evidence of such abiding?

As in murder? Really? Such intrigue. I still ain't buying any of it, but interesting take.

Thats the problem, its a apples and oranges comparison. Humans shoot back, so the preferred weapon of choice is the one that holds more rounds and shoots them faster. By gaining fire superiority, he stays pinned while you can move to tactically superior points on the map. The four F's, find, fix, flank and finish. There is no question what happens to the human pink ballon when hit by a round even say a 9 mm. He is finished. You win. Not so with a dangerous animal that is in a full charge. You have x amount of feet to not only kill the animal but stop it before it reaches you. A completely different dynamic emerges.......a 15 round magazine is useless, because you will be lucky if you have time for a follow up shot. Revolvers dont stove pipe, so why risk it when your not going to get all six shots off in a charge anyhow. And not many semi autos that can utilize large calibers like a revolver can, and still be handy. I owned a Desert Eagle....it was cumbersome to say the least. As far as jams on lever guns, Ive had my Rossi clone of the Winchester 92 jam one time. Never had any problems with my marlin 1895 or Winchester 94's. I use the Rossi for cowboy action. But I cannot count how many jams I have had with my AR 15 and Browning BAR and 1911's. The Romanian AK i own has never jammed, but I cannot get that action in 45-70:) I've heard good things about glock reliability and one bad story by Rex about a frame coming apart catastrophically. And the M1A is legendary for reliability too. But hunters just dont need twenty rounds to hunt big game with. And a .308 is not something PH's want to drag into the bushes after wounded animals that can eat you. I will say this though......if I could only own ONE rifle in a mad max setting? A M1A would be perfect IMO. But I could make do with a Marlin 336 as well.

Go Branco. Will Amazon have the book? A BLM office employee in Oregon, that I will mention if needed, leaked some bigfoot information to me. One of their biologist has a map showing his rare bigfoot sightings. I spoke with a timber cruiser in our area that has walked the woods for years and years and he's never seen a bigfoot. It's hit and miss. My theory is the big timber lobby has the forest service muzzled in regards to bigfoot. If so, then the forest service would have to have official reports that are hidden away. It would be neat if someone that knows the Freedom of Information Act could dig up some of these reports.

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The difference is that if your dangerous game rifle jams you are generally alone or perhaps in a small group And the danger is very close and you need to stop it immediately, this usually requires large caliber rounds not originally designed for semi-auto In the military you are trained to cover one another in a firefight if a rifle jams (full disclosure here, I have no first hand military experience, this is just what I have been told)

Question: Would the Forest Service instruct new employees on their secret agenda?

I would love to see a DVD featuring Bill & Thomas as they are They are like Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis And I don't mean that in a bad way The guys are friends and the banter between them is quite funny You should hear them at the annual BCSCC barbecue To clarify Bill and Thomas appear as they are on these shows, however they don't show their humorous side I think most people would enjoy it

Hello Terry, Actually the easiest thing to do is to deny existence with one post. Not 3,346 of the little beggars.

Pack of four feral dogs. None seen again after that night. http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=5770

The British guy is Scottish if you are talking about John Kirk lll It is one of the better documentaries out there As mentioned Bill Miller and Thomas Steenburg are in the video Well it is 8 years old so it is pre-DNA studies and not sure what you think would be new in an 8 year old video