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Two parts: Ah, but it can be ... tested **enough**. Ever do any tracking? Pick two tracks in sequence (accepted science). The third is hiding (woo). Do you give up on the trackway? I look at the two I've got, use them to predict where the missing third could be, and try to leverage that to find the fourth. You don't actually have to find the third to use it. It is a good idea to go back, once you have the fourth, to figure out where the third is hiding because somewhere down the line you may be missing several in a row and knowing how that third hid may help locate them. I'm not saying we need to prove telepathy / mindspeak, just consider the that it might exist and figure out what it suggests about what else we might be able to look at to find the next missing piece. And We're not going to buy instututional science's cooperation by kissing their backsides to appear respectable It has been tried. They've made that abundantly clear. I don't agree with you about a body, but lets say for the sake of argument you're correct. What if you can't obtain that body without investigating the "woo"? Then what? Do you stay stuck or do you plow forward? What's more important, getting the truth or defending your paradigm? At some point you have to decide what your priorities really are, identify hidden (even from yourself?) personal agendas, and then either stay stuck or chase leads. Even the leads that never pan out put me in the woods where new ones might appear. What I'm trying to say ... do something, try something, no matter how silly it looks, no matter who disapproves. If nothing else, by seeing who hassles you rather than supporting you, you've figured out who is not part of the solution, they're part of the problem. MIB edit: having some issues with quotes.

Hello DWA, Must be nice to be able to put such blinders on. For myself I chose to NOT live in such a bubble.

The sway ... I do that myself when I'm hunting if I see something. What I'm doing is geometry. By moving side to side ... consider the thing I'm looking at as a sort of optical fulcrum or pivot point. When I move side to side, I can look beyond the subject, see how much that motion seems to cause the background to move, and helps me refine my guestimate of distance-to-subject. In other words, it enhances the accuracy of my depth perception. If we've gotten close, that sway might be part of trying to figure out how big we are to help clarify what we are ... an "us" or a "them". Only a wild guess, of course, but like I said, it's a thing I do deliberately, so .. maybe. MIB

Nope. Not gonna happen. I'm after the answer, whatever it is, and I'm not going to ignore parts just because they make you uncomfortable. Follow the facts wherever they go. You will find the truth whatever it is. Refusing to follow the trail is the one sure way to fail in the search. MIB

Hello georgerm, Believe it or not I have developed a plan for just what you are talking about- funding. Seriously. The idea came to me last October and I'm working hard on the follow through. I wrote a book starting last November and am in the process of finalizing the editing and proofreading. It's an involved story that I won't go into here but my goal is to generate funds from sales for research.

Hello Incorrigible1, Now jest hold on thar pahdna. There's that there big skeeltun in Pocatello. Ever notice how Idaho sounds a bit like IDK Oops, shucks, there I go being ignorant again

Hmm, a thorough search for bigfoot articles in scientific journals reveals exactly zero. A search for bigfoot displays in scientific museums reveals the same. The only thing on your side is mind-numbing obstinance.

Hello DWA, Yep, Mr. Ignorant that's me alright.

Hello DWA, And that "something "...... izzzz......what exactly? Key word here: "exactly"

Every single thing the Federal government touches - has turned to ****. Even noble ideas - they manage to completely manage them into absolute disasters.

Yes, the science has stalled. The time, money and research has failed to produce measurable results. Proof of existence remains elusive. Now that the physical window has all but been closed. The paranormal becomes the normal.

Hello BigTreWalker and All, I was actually going to let the whole thing slide but since the skeleton is real But to science it is not? Well I had to ask. Twist probably is close to the answer but the whole idea is just that- an idea. IDK maybe this thread should have been merged with the "Conceptual Bigfoot" thread? Lets say the skeleton is a close representation of the creature described in the reports. If someone was out in the field looking for bones does this aid in giving a visual of what to look for? Is science laughing harder at Dr. Meldrum? I mean I can appreciate the 3D printer technology and all so that's not at issue. The reason for the skeleton in the first place is. Shock value? It can't be for study because there's no way to judge it as accurate. Anyway IMHO it should have been posed as Patty One thing I might want to see though is the skeleton digitized into a program where it could be animated and then do an overlay on the PGF. Even then it would prove nothing. So the structure isn't meant to prove Sasquatch and Dr. Meldrum I'm sure wasn't trying to do an end run on our thinking as much as fulfilling perhaps a dream he has had about the creature being a bone guy and all? Since there's no way to verify the skeleton's accuracy then other than publicity, good or bad, for him and the University then the whole thing is rather useless. I understand enrollment is up?

Oh, I agree. I spent hundreds of hours a few years back on another project, and had to understand what in the Wide, Wide World of Sports the scientific community was proposing as "science." I was stunned at what they accept as "science" when even their own duplicated results were all over the map. Some dating techniques actually overlap each other in their abilities to age - and yet not any two can give the same results. In fact, the same, exact tests of identical matrixes or samples that are tested are frequently out of the park and all over the map. They'll test volcanic material that we know for a fact is just two hundred years old, and it will give results of millions of years old. I fail to understand how they can contrive an entire lifestyle, method of locomotion, dietary specifics, size, weight, territorial preferences, height, and behavior characteristics of something they can only find a few teeth of, and yet when it comes to the volumes of narratives over the millennia, backed up by footprints and thousands of witnesses - the "scientifically minded" skeptics deny the existence of the bigfoot. I've been around some really interesting developments, and the pattern of behavior among "scientists," is that if they don't personally see it, experience it, and understand it, they'll deny everything. And for researchers, they can't do the same, identical experiments all day long, day after day - just to meet the personal requirements of individuals. And the group will not accept the results of a selected group of scientists. I've seen engineers, forensic engineers do weeks of testing, and then refuse to provide their results - because the results they verified and verified again and again do not meet current understandings of classical physics - and they just go home. Even when they were paid to do their testing and just provide the results. Won't do it. I guess as a result, I'm a bit jaded when "scientific" evidence seems to stretch reasonable assumptions. And I have good reason to be jaded.

I don't understand how you can say that yet promote official discovery. They are people, whether human or not, or we'd have found them already. Considering our track record with the cultures of Native American cultures here and other indigenous peoples elsewhere in the world, how can you possibly rationalize promoting discovery? That's like putting a pedophile in charge of the day care center. I'm completely aghast at the level of obliviousness and denial necessary in that position. MIB Oh really? How has the reintroduction of the timber wolf gone in the west? That is entirely irrelevant to management of an indigenous people. Bigfoot are not wildlife, they are people whether Homo sapiens or not. Management will certainly not fall under USF&WS, it will most likely fall under the Bureau of Indian Affairs who have overseen the destruction of every native culture they've been in charge of managing so far. MIB