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Crow, you seem a bit discouraged that one hasn't been brought in yet. All the things you have mentioned above, is a completely backwards approach. If I hypothetically asked you to capture a monkey in dense jungle, the type and size don't matter, how would you go about it? Many would be thinking of some kind of box trap. Snare. Baited trap. Some kind of net configuration. Maybe a trip to drop something on the monkey. None of which is really any good. Most inefficient, most troublesome, and most inconsistent. Now if one really did his homework, really studied the behaviors of the monkey - it would eventually become obvious - or maybe not so obvious, that there's a very simple method. But everyone wants to do the obvious. And that's the problem. It's not the technology. In fact, the technologies are little more than a distraction to solving the problem.

Start here, George: http://bigfootforums.com/index.php/topic/32510-habituating-bigfoot/page-1

^^^ So MUCH drama crammed into so few lines. Amazing! Personally, I don't buy it for an instant. Cap said hairy critter, put this myth to rest.

In a "what if" I would know I am shooting a yet un-recognized and un-classified species for science. For the record, I am of the same general opinion of Norse here, I would not want to see these animals ever hunted per say, or killed in a malicious way, that being said, I think only a body on the slab is going to solve the issue, as sad as it is to say, that may be by means of a firearm. I would rather it be different way, but to this point, either option is as viable as the other as neither has been able to produce a body.

Not at all CM, my post was not about what I know or believe of the species, as my post clearly states, its about what is recognized and classified as a species. AKA science, not personal opinion.

The government protection of Area 51 does not correlate with the previous security of other black programs. Only recently would the government even admit the place existed. I have attended twice as many UFO conferences and talked to more UFO witnesses and abductees, than I have BF conferences and witnesses. I have seen people in the audience that appeared to be federal agents. What I heard made me realize that the UFO topic was dangerous on several levels from several directions. The abduction phenomena is particularly troubling. While BF witnesses can be frightened, it in no way matches the fear of an UFO abduction witness recounting the experience. At one point, I just stepped back and decided that finding UFO's or worse yet them finding me, is not safe at several levels. How could I think that I could gain information about advanced entities who are capable of interstellar travel that don't want that information known? What possible personal gain would I have from it. So I dropped it. I guess now you claim to know ET origins, differences and agendas? What a remarkable claim! How is that possible? There is an old saying it is what you don't know or have not experienced that is most likely to kill you. That you can assume BF or ETs benign in every case seems pretty naive to me when there is considerable evidence to the contrary. The world is not the warm fuzzy place you want to think it is.

I fear academia considers this area a professional death zone. I know Meldrum and a couple others have unzipped, but this isn't the only discipline that has an area that is professionally best left alone. Dr. Deborah Chung developed a negative resistor, and the immediate reaction was - nothing. Nothing public. It went dark for quite a while, and there's still not much about it from her - most information comes from others who have duplicated and experimented with her development. Assume you're a top anthropologist. You're published in academic journals, you've spent decades and decades learning your stuff, you've taught for decades what you know, and while there are occasional discoveries that provide enough new material to maintain a bit of interest - otherwise it's a fairly established narrative one can learn and regurgitate by rote. Now an opportunity comes to explore and identify an entirely new species that fits nowhere on the well established tree or origination. I mean, this bad mamma-jamma is a whole new can of worms. Is it a career maker? Of course. Is it a career breaker? You better believe it. If you're successful, every bit of knowledge you have, every narrative of mankind, every known and established cultural narrative in existence, every postulated and established narrative of evolution - it's all out the window. Now, your knowledge is almost identical to that of a Freshman student. Because everything will have to be re-written. No one is an expert any longer. Everyone is starting from zero. When the priests confronted Galileo about craters on the moon, he turned and said, "Look. See for yourself." The reply? "I cannot, lest I then believe as you." Bottom line: Some don't want to look - lest everything they are currently expert in - is flushed down the toilet.

Ok, Ill bite, what is the unflawed approach? And no.....Im not dressing up like a woman.....call Bobo!

How can one be discouraged if one has encountered bigfoot and a skeptic doesn't believe him? Makes no sense to me. A bigfoot charging in your direction or standing in front of you has one heck of a more powerful presence and impact on a person than an internet heckler.

LeafTalker, you are in rare form with your observations. Yes, it's human to want to be a knower, but when if comes to bigfoot and crafts from other solar systems it's even more foggy. Anyway, why do habbers not contribute to the body of science? How about because the mockers ruin things. Come on habituators ........... come to this thread and tell us what you know. We will hit the 'report' button the minute mockers jump in. Open, free discussions would be good imho.

Some cowboy from Washington comes flying into town with a body in the bed of his PU truck and says I'm gonna give it to XYZ university, wahoo! However, LE takes notice and says not so fast ******. That thing looks like that guy in the GEICO commercial so we're going to hafta let the ME do an examination. Uh-Oh, the DNA comes back and it looks bad for ****** as the ME says it appears to be a homicide situation. The DA gets involved and learns ****** had been running a website designed to demonize this very homo____ that's in the cooler at the ME's office. So, ******, you've been saying you're gonna shoot one of these things for quite some time? You know, boy, around here we call that "with malice and forethought". Didja ever think it might have been a good idea to find out what these things really are before blasting one? Oh, you'd never seen one prior to pulling the trigger, only some tracks in the snow so you just figgered it was some kind of booger that would make you all famous and rich. Well, you're gonna be famous (with Bubba, your new cellmate) but probably not so rich......

All you would have to do was pick the institution that you were donating the body too in the name of science. Its a type specimen of a new species of primate......its a big deal. Is Yuchi and others like him going to send you hate mail....and call you names like "bad Elk hunter"? Probably. But the great thing about killing one is that you will accomplish what Yuchi and Ketchum and Standing never could....REAL PROTECTION of the species. And any lawsuit brought against you for doing due dilligence in the name of science? Is going to be thwarted by the very scientific institutions you donated to. Does anyone think big colleges and museums have deep pockets for something like a Sasquatch discover?? I do.

Yuchi. You know. I know. Others KNOW. Not guess. Know. These so-called skeptics down deep are pretty sure. That's why they live here. No other reason.

I don't buy any of the portal stuff or other Fortean associations with Bigfoot.

^^^^ Sounds like Yuchi speaks from experience! Whoa!

Norseman - yep, good point. The only situation I can see shooting one in would be self defense where game laws don't matter. "reasonable man", fear for life and limb, etc. And I wouldn't be using it as a cover, it would have to be truly that. It would take a situation where I'd be equally justified shooting my own mother. (Put the hatchet down, mom. "Or else.") That is, unless I find something in my search that changes my perception of what they are. A mere F&B earth-born ape is not on that list, it would have to be something from the paranormal side with a truly nefarious agenda for all of us. I think it unlikely. If, however, that's what I find, I'll be happy to bring in an interdimensional demonic alien slab monkey. I'm just ornery that way I guess ... and I like a challenge. MIB

Bottom line ... it depends on which state you are in. I've said this before. Guess someone didn't want to hear so I'll say it again. Some states list the protected animals and anything not specifically listed is "fair game" year around. Other states list the animals that can be killed and the conditions they can be killed under. In those states anything not specifically listed is automatically "protected." Know your state's laws. I believe, but won't swear, that California, where the Sierra Shooting was done, lists the things that can be killed. If so, Justin Smeja did indeed break the law. If it had been done here in Oregon it would have been legal unless there were some other illegal component ... shooting from or across a public road, shooting from a vehicle, hunting by prohibited methods (spotlight, for instance), or trespassing. Know your state's laws. (See, said it again.) Do not assume what is true in one state has any resemblance to what is legal in another. MIB