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I wasn't given a choice in admission to the Bigfoot camp. You might say I was formally introduced. Your 'obvious conclusion' that they're not out there is neither obvious, nor conclusive to me. And if you're so fed up with "bigfooters . . so willing to buy into nonsense then we'd all be on to more important natural science," then why are you not onto other, more important natural science instead of here? Since it's nonsense? Mind me, I don't mind, but I think thou protests too much. Especially over something you've concluded doesn't exist. If that were really true, you'd lock it up and move onto other things as you've already concluded this subject is not worth another moment's further consideration. I don't understand.

The government protection of Area 51 does not correlate with the previous security of other black programs. Only recently would the government even admit the place existed. I have attended twice as many UFO conferences and talked to more UFO witnesses and abductees, than I have BF conferences and witnesses. I have seen people in the audience that appeared to be federal agents. What I heard made me realize that the UFO topic was dangerous on several levels from several directions. The abduction phenomena is particularly troubling. While BF witnesses can be frightened, it in no way matches the fear of an UFO abduction witness recounting the experience. At one point, I just stepped back and decided that finding UFO's or worse yet them finding me, is not safe at several levels. How could I think that I could gain information about advanced entities who are capable of interstellar travel that don't want that information known? What possible personal gain would I have from it. So I dropped it. I guess now you claim to know ET origins, differences and agendas? What a remarkable claim! How is that possible? There is an old saying it is what you don't know or have not experienced that is most likely to kill you. That you can assume BF or ETs benign in every case seems pretty naive to me when there is considerable evidence to the contrary. The world is not the warm fuzzy place you want to think it is.

I grew up on 400 acres in north Alabama with a shotgun or fly rod in hand at every possible moment. Killing was a part of life with the tenet I was taught there has to be a valid reason for it otherwise, it was both morally (violated the code of nature) and possibly legally wrong. Others were apparently not reared in such a philosophy and thus developed an entirely different set of mores. Regarding the demonization of these entities, I instead rely upon my own real world field experiences wherein it would have been so easy for the alpha male of the Rogers county clan to have taken me/us down on dozens of occasions. The closest he came to belligerence was slamming down the tower stand and chunking the rock after we had harassed him multiple times that particular evening. Also, I realize there can be those of a malevolent intent just as humans in that camp are rife on this planet however, even after one was shot (Louisiana hunt) the others made no overt attack upon us even as we probed into the thicket after the wounded one. Regarding the "protection" theory as a foundation for using lethal force upon them, consider the possibility the authorities realize there is no viable "sanctuary" areas as these beings have basically done as they will for eons. Therefore, if you are in a position of authority, the most viable solution is to quickly and quietly eliminate them from the landscape. If 13,000+ feral hogs can be killed (Fort Sill, Oklahoma) over the course of a few months via air conveyances and using the latest TI/NV technology, the big guys probably would not have a snowballs' chance of survival. Think about this and draw your conclusions.

As a kid, through Middle School and High School, I never designed to go and do those things required of me. For better or worse, I'll be the one who has to answer for them. The Paulides books certainly bring attention to a number of odd circumstances, but I never load just one cartridge in my pistol. When we examine not Native American stories, but simple examine the names they had for them, I'm not going to list them, but the names, properly interpreted include, "Man Eater," "Cannibal Man," "Cannibal Monster," "Evil Man-Eating Monster," "the Evil That Devours Mankind," "Devil Cannibal," "Wicked Cannibal," "Wicked Cannibal Giant," "Cannibal Being," and "Devourer of People." Then we have the Woodwosa in Europe, and the carvings, tapestries, drawings and paintings depict large hairy critters most frequently taking women. It's not like Paulides came up with this stuff suddenly, and I'm relying on his reports and narratives. The same descriptions come from multiple peoples, from multiples lands and continents, from different eras. It's no proper kind of proof, but when considered in the whole, I think it may be indicative of potential. If I killed one, there is no jury in the world that would say this thing is a human, nor that any sane, rational, prudent person would even mistake this thing for a human. We only share a common bipedal basic shape. Head up top, torso, arms off to each side, motivation provided by two legs. That's it. Like a Gibbon, chimpanzee, gorilla. The same basic shape of head on top, and four limbs would also describe a bear, squirrel, or chipmunk. If I could bring into court that critter stuffed and mounted - the case would be thrown out. Wouldn't even get to a homicide charge. If it were against the law to kill a horse, and I shot a mule, (Norse would likely shoot me) I'm not guilty of killing a horse. Even though the mule is half-horse. You know that Yuchi. It's not human. I don't care what the face looks like - I've seen some cute monkey faces, even some with what could be described as human-like expressions. But that doesn't make them human.

Can you word things so it's not a put down and we all will learn more.

One body would be enough to satisfy science. State and Federal protections would quickly come next. No hunting! No harassment! No nothing. Look at what they did with the Spotted Owl and rare snails in deserts. It would take them no time to enact similar protections for an 8' tall apeman.

Habitat for everything is being ruined, but nature is thankfully resilient. So are the hairy folks, and they are not just animals of the forests, but nearly every habitat. That they're not diminished by the twentieth century adventures of humankind is one of the most amazing things I have ever learned. Mine and others' evidence has actually been that they are fairly common. The areas I've gathered from generally range from rural to suburban, except for a camping trip here and there.

The problem will wind up being, in that case, that it is never just one body.You get more Universities and Institutes (Zoos?) that want a body or live research specimens, museums, opportunists, and then the flood gates are opened. Like the Ruffles add goes, you can never eat just one. I would be as intrigued and interested in new knowledge as the next if a Bigfoot is found. I would enjoy seeing one in the wild even more. Perhaps we should put out a poster "Wanted, dead or alive"? The demand of bodies, dead or alive, for zoos or universities will be an issue if discovery comes about in any way.

You believe they reside in every state in the union? Ill ask you the same here as in the stalled thread. Whats your hard data Yuchi? You always talk down to people as some sort of Sasquatch whisperer. Can you have a FTF with me and tell me Sasquatch numbers are on the rise in every place they reside with a straight face? If your not concerned because this species is not recognized by science, then either you do not care about the future of this species OR you have your own data that assures you everything is fine. Do me a favor and get on google earth and fly around the pacific NW and look at our forests. Clear cuts are beneficial to some species and to others they are death. Elk vs Caribou Elk love clearcuts and the brush and browse that replaces the large trees. Caribou starve to death because they stay high in winter and no big trees are left to poke through 20 feet of snow pack that they can browse lichen and moss off of. I'm using my brain Yuchi and I honestly do not like what I see.