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One thing I do agree about is falsely assuming our technology is going to solve the problem. It is simply tools... Okay you located one. What is your endgame? What are you going to do about it now? I know Norseman's answer to that. But for many it just seems to be to have an experience.Technology helps to gather evidence. BTW, The study of the evidence brings understanding of the phenomenon. That may not bring proof, but understanding of why there's not any proof. Proof itself might be as destructive as it is constructive where Bigfoot is concerned. My end game is probably just to enlighten a few people with evidence.

I'm not real good at this mind reading thing so I could be wrong, but I think I've done it. You think that badgering, mocking, and labeling people that don't fit your idea of normal will make them stop posting the stuff you don't want to see. How's that going for you?

The only problem with the 'Science of bigfoot' is that it's not progressing fast enough for some people. Sightings are still being made, tracks are still being cast, research about the nests is continuing, bone impression research is also continuing, numbers are still being crunched, etc. Things may not be brought to this forum or elsewhere on the internet because of denialists animosity every time new evidence is mentioned. People are still learning and hopefully documenting things about sasquatch. Basing the whole idea that the science of bigfoot is wrapped up in just a couple of once in a lifetime films is absurd. (Aren't we about due for another film? ) Bring in a body. That may change the science of bigfoot overnight... Then again maybe not. Because that event will have its own hurdles to overcome. One thing I do agree about is falsely assuming our technology is going to solve the problem. It is simply tools... Okay you located one. What is your endgame? What are you going to do about it now? I know Norseman's answer to that. But for many it just seems to be to have an experience.

To my understanding, "good" and "evil" are moral judgments based on intent. As such, they have a built in implication of consciousness rather than mere instinct. A lion or bear that eats you is not "evil", it is merely hungry and acting on instinct, same as a venomous spider or snake that bites you in self defense. Harmful, absolutely, evil, absolutely not. (Note: I recognize that some particularly narcissistic people consider anything not submitting to their will to be "evil." That's not what we're talking about I hope.) Basically, I consider the question itself invalid so either answer to be nonsense unless you build in the assumption that bigfoots are self-aware with a sense of right and wrong and occasionally deliberately choose to do "wrong." It is probably more productive to couch the question in more objective, less subjective, terms. Risk. Costs. Tangible outcomes. Something that most "camps" can agree on rather than building the value system of one camp or another into the discussion and forcing the others to accept it or not participate. MIB

Crow - You don't have rational thought or intelligence, you have only your dogma with empty posturing to back it up. Did it ever occur to you that filtering out inconvenient data merely to support your denialist agenda makes a mockery of **science**? MIB

See Crow I do not see it this way, I do not see it as a mocking of intelligence like you are suggesting. Nor is it a mocking of rational thought since it takes rational thought to come out with this in the open in the first place. I feel that I have full filled this when I started what I started with these creatures. If they are capable of doing what I have said they are, then logic says what I did should be able to be done again. Is this being rational, to be able to experiment and know the truth. How is this this mocking intelligence when it has happened, and all you have to do is try it your self. So there is no mocking of our intelligence, maybe our ego's but surely not our intelligence. The difficult aspect is trying to explain this and how it works or happens. This is why I truly believe that a body is needed so that we can understand what they are. But to this day not one has been captured or killed, nor has a dead one been collected. If one has been collected it has been collected not by none of us but who knows what other entity. Crow, I know that you are searching for answers and that it is difficult to understand, but your skeptic view will lead you to the truth. I had to deny everything till it led me to the truth. Then I had to come open with it which led to more ridicule, now I cannot give up. It has been a quest and now I have one task. To convince you. Might be impossible but I see it as a worthy cause, Crow.

Incorrigible, you missed the most important part of what Sykes said. Even though he stated Zana might have descended from slave stock and lived wild, he also proposed that she might also have been from some far earlier out of Africa migration in which was cut off and isolated in the area with no interbreeding with the locals until Zana was impregnated in captivity. He suggested her DNA seemed to show her bloodline had ancient origins. The problem with this is that her DNA was not directly tested. Should his theory be correct then the Almasty might simply be Sub Sarahan Africans that have not interbred humans in the region. If their original migration was long enough ago, then they would have had time to get hairy to protect them from the weather if they did not arrive hairy. DNA from her descendants only serve to muddy the water as to her origins since it was known that the fathers of the descendants were modern humans. Here is the part of the article that you did not paraphrase: "And Sykes has raised the bold theoretical possibility that Zana could be a remnant of an earlier human migration out of Africa, perhaps tens of thousands, of years ago. If correct, Zana could be evidence of a hitherto unknown human ‘tribe’, dating from a distant time when the human species was still evolving and whose ancestors were forced into remote regions, like the Caucasus mountains, by later waves of modern humans coming out of Africa."

My endgame is not carved in stone. If they are what I suspect they are, best guess, then proving is highly unlikely. I will talk to a few people. A small number are BFF members. Most are not. If they are something other than what I expect, then depending on specifically what they are, all choices are possible. The only things I promise are I will do the right thing **as I see it** when I have enough information to make an informed choice from and I will not make any decisions in a vacuum, I will understand first and choose second. MIB

Oh no you wouldn't. Bigfoot are omnipotent and can sense if you're trying to photograph or record them. They and read our minds and they know if you're going to hurt them or take advantage of them. And once they sense that they either rip you apart or leave the area and gee nobody really wants their hairy smelly friends to run away. Mockery like this will not get you very far Crow, your approach is not correct and should be changed if you want to reach the truth. MIB is giving very good advice to Hammer and If it was my advice I would just say to let them be. Hammer has nothing to prove when Hammer has already proven what Hammer knows to be true. Not that difficult to understand yet for some it is. Why is that Crow? Why is so hard to understand what is taking place with these creatures ? Yes, I understand how impossible that it all sounds, yet it happens with no understanding. Can we explain it , No ! But does need to be experienced. So yes I can understand the mockery that comes from you. It is easy to mock some thing that has not been experienced. I can see how you want to bring out the anger in people so that they will talk. But this does not work as a skeptic nor in a debate, this just brings out anger and shuts people down. Somet times it is best to sit back and read what people have to say. We can learn so much more this way from others who may be able to teach us about them. I am out to learn what I can and test what I have learned and this is what maybe you should try some time , rather then blame others for the misinformation that they have given you. This is not our fault, that it has left you with this hole of skeptism. You must learn to go past it Crow. https://youtu.be/oqsxlLU_ebI

Good thoughts. I already used my plus for the night. I want to record and document it though. After coming from the Ohio Bigfoot conference recently, I just want to be one of the ones that contributes to the science, standing on big shoulders. How about Bob Gimlin on my porch! Great great people I have around me and I am so grateful. They saved my tail, and I want to thank those giant people that have come before. My mission is to help the science and to support the community that has given me so much. Then a week ago, they all show up on our porch. What a great way to kick off the weekend! I owe it to you all to help contribute how I can.

For those who believe they have experienced something paranormal, what you are asking is also the most dishonest and shows the most self-disrespect. It involves suppressing information and disenfranchising themselves to buy a troll's approval. MIB