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Film Patty for 59.5 seconds. Slap in a new film reel and film a trackway- NOT more Patty. What is so danged hard about this? Nothing. But what do I get? Oh, there is a "hypothetical" 10 more out takes. Oh, can't risk a close up. Oh, the extra footage was edited out. Seriously? Had to go back on horseback for plaster. I say a hoaxer good enough to pull this whole thing off as a hoax would've had the plaster with them. What do I get? Oh, they didn't have it because it would tire the horses. Is there anyone out there that I could discuss these things with that can do any better than this? Because if there isn't then I'm walking away from this thread. The rebuttals so far are grabbing straws out of thin air simply for the sake of having SOMETHING- ANYTHING- no matter what it is- as long as it's a counter statement. For NO OTHER REASON than to have a counter statement. No links, no backup facts, just lashing out with anything one can. Crowlogic this has to be the weakest debate I've ever heard come out of you. Honestly. It is. Anyone else out there?....

Crowlogic, thanks for getting around the Forums and adding so much to these threads

Crow isn't trying to Find The Truth, Crow is trying to disallow real truth and insert Crow's own dogma as the kool aid Truth it wants us to drink. Crow can't look at real truth, Crow is not secure enough or confident enough to risk an honest inquiry that might show it how wrong it is. Think about Crow's history ... it was a proponent that got jaded and gave up. Being wrong about that means having to acknowledge it was a quitter that sold itself out. I'm not pro-proof at this point but I think if a person was, you would be right, only a body on a slab will be accepted as proof. Even with that there would still be some hard core denialists screaming hoax just like the crackpots who think the moon landing, holocaust, Elvis' death, etc were faked. Crow may be one of those with proof of bigfoot. Wouldn't shock me. You are right ... if the PGF is a hoax, I not only want to know why, but I want to know **HOW**. I want to know where a suit that John Chambers said he couldn't make at the time came from. I want to know where they found someone dumb enough to gamble Bob Gimlin wouldn't unload that '06 into the suit, hoaxer and all. There are LOT of real serious questions that need answers the scoftics try to avoid addressing in any meaningful way. MIB

Here's the other structures we found on Tuesday. They were about a hundred yards from each other in the middle of an alder patch covered with salmonberry bushes. Needless to say the elk love the area. I sure didn't. The only reason we went in there was because we could smell something dead. Never found it but found these. Both were in elk trails and looked to be obstructions to slow the elk down. Both were right next to old uprooted root balls. The upper angled stick in both of them was shoved up under the ferns on the root wad. Those sticks didn't fall that way. One incorporated a huckleberry bush growing on the root ball. I don't get too excited about sticks in any arrangement in these alder thickets because they drop their limbs every which way. But in the case of these they didn't fall that way. The upright stick in the one was shoved in about six inches, but wasn't heavy enough to do so by falling. This was a hard area for us to navigate. It was wet, full of holes and downed logs. Not an easy place to walk around in and the berry bushes were head high so you couldn't see more than a few feet.

Orangutan literally means "wildman of the woods".