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We have to follow the fossil record. Is there a bipedal bear with a human form somewhere in the fossil record? What class of mammal is Patty most likely going to fall in?

If BF were a kind of bear, they would be turning up on occasion the way bears do- both alive and dead. But they don't. This simple fact blows the bear theory out of the water.

I've not spent much time on the general board in a very long time. Hiflier, I always appreciate your contributions, but I just think you are taking the easy way out on this one. To suggest that BF is somehow the human embodiment of a bear is simply taking two well-known things and smooshing them together to conveniently explain one truly unknown thing: BF. An apple and and orange might be familiar and understandable, but smashing them together does not make an exotic star fruit. Bad analogy, buy you get the idea. Why can't the unexplainable Bigfoot be just that--a creature completely unknown and currently beyond our comprehension? For myself, other than its size and hair, I don't see any correlations of BF to a bear. To a human, yes. But I don't watch the Patty film and see any resemblance to a bear. None. And, the "Ohio howl" that boomed down the valley at dawn one morning in N. Californa (Penn Valley area) was both primate-like and other-worldly. Nothing bear-like about that thunderous wail. Sheri's post was as far as I could go in this thread. I think she nails it. And her comment about "if it walks and quacks like a duck, it's a duck" is spot on. I just feel that trying to explain the BF phenomenon with two well-known creatures is too simplistic, and too convenient. No. Just no.

I"m glad to see you guys getting out there and enjoying the wild country. Great shots from you outing, Dave. No recent reports from me lately, as I had some very major surgery a month ago, and it looks like I'll be in recovery mode for at least another 6-8 weeks, and on top of that, my TrailBlazer is in need of repairs to the front drive disconnect, so no rough trails till that's looked after. One of our group is organizing a weeklong camp at the end of Oct., so I hope I'm ready to go for that, and will of course report here. I have cabin fever big time! BTW, Dave, it looks like you and I have the same hair stylist. ;-)

Hi Dave, just got back from a week in the Gifford Pinchot National Forest up around Elk pass. I couldn't believe the huckleberries this year. And all the people picking them. Found a couple secluded campsites but it wasn't easy. Lots of bear sign around, probably because of all the berries. Looks like you had an enjoyable time. It was a beautiful day for that. Great country in there. We saw three different varieties of huckleberries, all delicious.

There are some people here I consider good woodsman but in any sort of survival situation in the woods the BF would be the natural winner. Most of us rely on human constructs even to make a fire. In winter, without fire, we do not last long. BF are in their own element there. Throw in their powerful bodies and ability to navigate difficult terrain, and humans not matter how good, would run a distant second. Quite frankly I think some BF research groups, even some prominent ones, do not really believe or understand that. There is still a lot of big dumb ape thought out there even at the PHD level.