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Boredom sets in when the "goal" is set too low. After a certain amount of "scientific" discussion mostly limited to tracks, calls, hair, cameras, & the proper gun to "harvest a specimen" (which must be 100% flesh & blood), there's no doubt that boredom will eventually set in. Raise the goal, & rise above science's self imposed limits, & boredom will disappear.

The only person here taking anything personal is far archer.....and you evidently because your running to his rescue. Which makes a lot of sense actually. Patterson Gimlin questioned far archer's sighting. Boom. That's where it started , which has led us down this merry path and inspired far archer's completely new thread. How am I responsible for steering this thread into the ground? Or the other one?

I agree with you here! even better is just go out there with no gun and no camera and in the dark and sit in one place where they frequent and see what happens. I bet you will not have boredom no more! Every so often it is good to get the ol heart racing, let's you know that you are alive. Once you pass those limits it's science all over after that. No more boredom and more like excitement.

The so-called BF Community cannot even agree on the P-G film. The "Four Horsemen" of Sasquatch Life never had a personal encounter. Organized groups with a combined decades of time in the field (BFRO expeditions, GCBRO, NAWAC, et. al.) have absolutely nothing in the way of verifiable forensic evidence. IMO, the above constitute nothing more than an Ark of mamby-pamby which continues to be fueled by a junior high mentality, pervasive within the BFC. It's Einstein's definition of insanity, in full bloom. Am aware of five (5) individuals that experienced personal encounters and (to a man) have stated they would never venture near a BF website after reading/hearing of the savaging of those that unfortunately ventured therein and published their accounts. IMO, there's being aware of the potential for hoaxing/lying and there's also pizzing in the campfire thinking that's the way to signal others to the location.

I'm going to be frank here. The reason you receive a lot of flak? Is because you make a lot of unsubstantiated claims. Add to that? You talk down to people because of your claimed vast military experience. Your on a Internet forum, we don't have access to your DD214...... And thus far you have shown us nothing in way of proof. If you were us? What would you believe? Added: When anything you say gets called into question? You become super defensive.

Time and again, a lot of discussions seem to go in circles, and eventually, everyone ends up right back where the started. I had a distinct advantage, I believe. In fact, I know it was an advantage. I had zero preconceived notions on these things as I didn't have any idea any such thing existed. So after my own personal, very close observations, followed by weeks of other observations and experiences, one might say I was fairly open minded. Here, I see so many with preconceived notions - whether they deny their existence - believe in their existence - have had some hairy/troubling encounters - or fall somewhere else on the topic. I often see folks say, "I don't see squat." Or, "something this big would be found." Or, "they're too big to hide." Or, "I can't find diddly squat - therefore - they must be few." Or, "where to they live, as we can't find where they live." Or, any number of assumptions that are largely based on their own personal beliefs, and they assume their abilities to discern such tracks or evidence of passing, when in fact, they are likely using approaches that are successful in hunting other animals, and are erroneous in applying those techniques to BF. Obstinance seems to be the order of the day, here. Everyone digs their heels in to hold their own personal beliefs, and no one learns a thing. Me? I try to frame a concept time to time, to give others a hint of what's going on. Something to study. Something to take advantage of. But I get crap for even trying that. It's like dealing with a bunch of third graders at times. And yes, I know a few things I'm not about to share - it took too much work and far to long to just toss it out. I'll be using those things myself. Too many people just want to be spoon fed and don't want to put in the work, the analysis, and the proving. And worse - when one drops seemingly disjointed hints - seemingly - you have someone attack you. At this moment, I know - and I mean I KNOW - three separate locations, where three separate clans live, hunt, feed, and drink. I am not foolish enough to go "hunt" them, and in turn upset their comfort zone until I can do it right. If I know where a twelve point buck lives and feeds and when, why would I go pester him before hunting season, when I can take him legally? Why would I risk forcing him to relocate, or change his habits - when he's perfectly happy sticking to his routine since no one is bothering him? If you already know what you know, and you're so convinced it's the correct approach, why aren't you successful? If your approach is so encompassing, so accurate and so successful, what's the holdup? More often, it's not what you don't know that messes you up - it's the many things you know - that are not correct - that messes you up. At times, it's real good to start with a clean sheet of paper. You may not know what you think you know.

People who come here with these stories have to remember those of us who have been around here awhile have seen all kinds of fantastical tales and have seen them turn out to be nothing but big talk...

Gee, he only used to run the site. Not too bright, but full of bluster. Like a whoopie cushion. Oh, but he's one in a thousand, just listen to him.

He has better stories, it seems that's true. Oh, and DON'T ever doubt anything he says, lest he put a bullet into you. And laid up three days before moving. 5K were looking for him, too. DON'T DOUBT. Oh you're a poopey-head, if you doubt.

Rather than quote select passages, I'll merely post a link to the BFF charter, strongly inviting each new member to read and understand. You'll find a paragraph about " Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." Choose to deny that if you will, but it was expected you understand that before your first posting, here. I don't believe you, FarArcher. I need not explain the reasons, nor can you provide any whit of evidence to back your claims. Get mad, make threatening postings (you'd have put a bullet into me, evidently. "You suggest a man is untruthful in those places, it's a shooting matter.") Wow. Pin a rose upon your derriere. I'm not scared, I've dealt with LongTabber upon these very pages. BTW, are you a NC chicken farmer?

I don't believe boredom really exists.....

Can you imagine what this place would look like if say only ~10% of the BFRO Class A reports witnesses came over here and could recount and then discuss their experience(s) in a healthy, adult manner without all the juvenile "it's my sandbox" antics?

They walk by leading with their toes. Humans walk exactly the same way if they don't have shoes, unless they are very sure of the surface on which they are walking. You will find that if you walk by leading with your bare toes instead of your heels that you gait is inline and your head does not bob.

Wild tales carry the weight only so far. You're sure welcome to provide a bit more beef. Have at it!

I don't claim to have been party to shooting a sasquatch.

Reading the text of a couple posters, makes you wonder which way this site is being "steered". Off the cliff?

I haven't seen any of your scalps. I will say it yet again. I'm not a BF hunter.

You guys didn't drum anyone out - they found many posters here to be uninformed, rude, and very limited in their thinking - and they LEFT. I never said anything about being a expert on Bigfoot. Now if you're bestowing that title on me yourself - I'd have to turn it down. I've made it clear - I'm not a BF enthusiast - I'm not a BF hunter - I'm not a BF researcher - and stated clearly - I don't even like these things. That must be irritating - and emotion can sometimes work against you. Going to what? Drum me out of here? Because I served in the military? And share the field proven reasons you're maybe not seeing anything? Oh! I get it! You're the BF expert! Who would have guessed? Keep doing it your way. It seems to be working so very well.

Your military experience doesn't stick in my craw at all. What sticks in my craw are self proclaimed experts of Bigfoot that have NOTHING to back it up with. I'll openly admit that your stories are not nearly as wild as Yuchi's are. I mean his stories have blood and gore and roaring and military snipers crying like babies.....exciting stuff. But you seem to be heading down the same path. You need proof of your claims, or this website will drum you out of here as it has done with countless others. I'm not trying to be a jerk here, it's just a fact.

Oh, I was using a question - success to some would be a body - and if what they know is so useful, where is the body? No, not exactly. I have no problem killing one - assuming I'm not at a distinct tactical and LOP disadvantage like I was previously. To fire that day would have been suicide. Tigers. Yes. At night, they have their ways, I have mine. My way was 'better.' Once. As I've said, I've been blessed by some very informed people who generally don't post here, but got in contact with me, or let me get in contact with them. I learned some very fascinating things, things that really reinforced some of my postulations - vague though they were. I like the way you think - everyone can learn if they'll just pay attention, do some homework, and get with those who just may have some key information that I don't.

I got the impression long ago that my military background kind of stuck in your craw. If I were an engineer, I'd probably try to address this BF thing from an engineering standpoint somehow. If I were a professional trapper, I'd probably address BF from a trapper standpoint. Same if I had an extensive background in any other endeavor that one can mention - but I don't have those other backgrounds - so I can only go with what I have to go with. I don't talk down to folks from my background, but if I tell someone that I will have a very specific need - and they try to argue a generality - then yes, we'll disagree. I'm thinking, "they're not listening. not even trying." If someone spits out some generality, completely unrelated to a previously specified requirement - I mean - what's behind this? If I'm talking specifically about a Damascus plum, why are they insisting that a pineapple is the way to go? And that's "talking down?" You yourself, have indicated you've looked, but haven't found anything. I resort to what I know, and my own experience, to demonstrate that it's really not hard to hide from folks that are looking for you. You have to read between the lines a bit. Yes, I'm on an internet forum. No, you don't have access to my DD214, which lists medals, qualifications, MOS's and some units. I once put something out that anyone could have Googled, (and some have) and they would have had their questions answered about my background to their satisfaction. You missed it. Or elected to not look. Which is not in the spirit of honestly making a fair determination. It's much easier to just repeat the same derogatory statements, isn't it? I was one of the few - the one percent of the one percent. Believe it, deny it, ignore it - your choice. It doesn't take a single bite out of my mouth. The fact that our average test scores exceeded scores of those who entered West Point - should give you one more indicator - but it probably won't. I've actually been "checked out" quite thoroughly by some members here, and the information they shared that they found on me was quite a surprise - as they brought up a couple things I'd forgotten. I've been contacted by them. We've had some very informative, well developed conversations, where I learned some things you'll never see here - oddly - by some who just really are tired of the sniping and jerking around in these forums. There's a reason a lot of the older, really well informed posters pretty much quit coming here. I'm starting to find it tiresome myself. I don't really mind if someone is ignorant on something, as I'm ignorant of tens of millions of subjects - but I find that to voluntarily elect to remain that way is just not productive. Thus, this thread.

I believe you, FA and appreciate what you've shared. I'm not sure what you consider success, although I guess you mean (video?) proof. It doesn't sound like you want to kill one, at least. There is no "problem", only a lot of people not paying attention. Hey, what about that tiger problem! Yeah, those **** problem orcas! See how that sounds? I know a lot more than I knew three years ago, because I've paid attention. To surroundings, to maps, and to people with a lot of experience. Anyone can do the same.

I have to disagree to part of your statement. The temperature with a standard adiabatic atmosphere drops 2 degrees Celsius per 1000 feet gain in altitude. While this interior heat low we have in place modifies that to some extent, looking at the present conditions, and actual readings by weather balloons, at my house right now it is 82 degrees. At 6000 feet it is 68. At 9000 it is 55 degrees. These are actual reported temperatures and more than a couple of thousand feet above the ground are pretty stable and not much affected by surface temperatures. Depends on the stability of the atmosphere which results in mixing and can vary. You can interpolate to get an idea of what the temperatures in BF habitat below the timber line might be. These are conditions over Portland and representative of the region around here. Beyond that, along river valleys that come out of the mountains, in the afternoon, you often get cool breezes that come out of the mountains like a river of cool air especially when there are still snowfields present. I get that at my house near the Lewis River, the winds will come up about 4PM in the afternoon and it results in a temperature consistently 3 or 4 degrees cooler than official weather reports from a few miles away away from the river. BF has to know all of this better than we do and knows where to go during hot weather where it is cooler and water is available.

Ok....so Bigfoot has mastered the 5 S's of camo......awesome. Where does it eat, sleep, poop, breed, give birth, grow old, die? We are not talking about the SAS behind enemy lines here. We are talking about a whole population. From crying babies, to the sick and crippled to the very old. In other words..... Non Patrol members who are noisy, slow you down and need constant care. Forget sightings.....where is the sign of this population? I see very little. One set of tracks a long time ago and a few twisted saplings that are supposedly attributed to them recently. 800 lbs creatures should be leaving a lot of sign behind. They are not being resupplied by helo. They are eating berries, digging tubers and killing game. We have a few bones with odd tooth marks, but nothing nation wide. Something is not right here. I'm convinced there are not many and in most areas are gone all together.

Actually, to me, the scientific community has falsified so many findings and made so many mistakes on other "scientific truths," that the scientific community conventional wisdom mean absolutely nothing to me. The "scientific community" can't hold their own evidence of something to the same standards - and won't - in an area they for some reason want to avoid - or where they've made up their minds of how evidence should be interpreted solely to reinforce a simple postulation they find convenient. You see, if a BF is collected, the so-called "experts" are suddenly all wrong. Their story of mankind is completely wrong, their story of migrations is completely wrong, their narratives of hominids is suddenly completely wrong, likely their postulations of anthropology are completely wrong - and guess what? Now there are NO experts - certainly not scientifically trained experts - as everyone has to start over. To suggest in the face of thousands of eyewitness report - related over the millennia, on almost every continent of the world, by separated peoples and cultures, in turn separated by oceans - and to tell the same stories, and common descriptions - and still ignore the preponderance of evidence? That's not scientific. That's just retarded. The only sanitized, approved, and accepted "evidence" in the scientific community - is that which can be fit into the narrative already predetermined. I was asked what I would do if I got one, and some were astounded that I wouldn't turn it over to the "scientific community." There's no way. It would likely just disappear like so many other skulls and bodies of giant critters that were handed over to the scientific authorities. Which have oddly, all disappeared. Now why would the "scientific community," holding to "scientific methodology," in the interest of "scientific pursuits" resort to such dishonest treachery? Like I said, they have a narrative, they like their narrative, they don't want anything changing the narrative, and I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them. And it's not just in this field. It's rampant in the "scientific community."

I can really believe you think it's silly. If your word was worth snot, you'd automatically understand how offensive such a suggestion is. But you're not. (I act surprised.) I had scores of lives and multi-millions of dollars spooled up and put in danger - based on my word - on just one report. Accuracy and credibility were everything. Over here, someone's word is nothing. Other places - it's life or death. You suggest a man is untruthful in those places, it's a shooting matter.

My odds of observing a BF were very remote? No joke! I wish I'd never seen the thing. It ruined the remaining weeks on the mountain, and I didn't get another night's sleep the rest of the time I was there. Until then, my life was pretty much settled and the impossible was - impossible. I've seen maybe two-score bears in the wild - Browns and Blacks. Because of the possibility of shooting a friendly in my misspent youth, I not only identify my target with specific characteristics, I pick my exact shot. It's too bad. For your own edification, you may want to get to a zoo or something so you can see what an actual bear looks like - not just a picture. Just in case. Only someone who's never seen a bear could confuse them with something else from 20-30 feet away - in the open. And a bear doesn't run about a 5.5 second forty on two legs, skating. And more - a bear doesn't have the face of a man - though butt ugly. Fear? Yeah, I thought I was up against a big cat that was sick, injured, or rabid. My plan? Work the problem, consider the options. Choose the best option. Hold steady, and wait for that one shot at the last millisecond - in the maw - less chance of missing that instant disconnect when it really counts. Banging away at at distance with a handgun just wastes ammo and will cause the animal to react, throwing off your timing. When there's only one choice, I'll bet my life on that one shot. It's really not fear - you make the decision, go cold - which is very calming, and wait for the merge. My imagination? I'm not very creative - can't sing. Can't compose. Can't paint. Can't sculpt. I guess I just don't have much imagination. Mis-identification may be a frequent experience for you, but I find if you don't get overly excited, and simply observe, if you can't quickly find three distinct characteristics identifying what you're looking at, it will soon enough become known and thus identified. So maybe that might help you with your apparent experiences mis-identifying critters. I just never had that problem - myself. The power of a complex mind is not all that amazing, except its ability to slow down time. Now that is a real experience, and while it's only happened a couple times, when everything slows to quarter-speed, and you still have your normal, full speed, that truly is a rush. I wasn't, nor am I a wildlife photographer - I just happened to be working on another task - and since I saw the same scenery every day, never needed a camera. By never needing a camera, oddly, I never needed a "quality film." When I'd give a guy a ride, I just never thought of a camera or even a video camera as part of the equation. This just proves how dumb I am. Some of you guys think of everything, all the time. Stuff that while working - just never crossed my mind. Why if I was really serious, had the gift of peering forward into the future, and realized what I would run into, I should have taken a camera with me everywhere. In the tent. Drive the ATV with one hand, camera in the other. I could hold my 1911 in both hands and use my other hand for a camera. Keep it rolling while cutting wood for the evening fire, and especially important - not to overlook any possibility - the outhouse. With a directional microphone. That would be covering it. Did I have a camera, or quality film? Man, I feel like a dummy for not thinking of that. With such insight, I assume you have lots of photos and videos of these things. Unlike me, who was so unprepared. I for one would love to see some of these if you don't mind posting them.

Folklore has it that were-creatures are active over the (approaching) full moon. Just thought I'd mention that fact. ::wanders away, aimlessly::

My gut feeling is that at some point the military grabbed one or more after shooting some. It would be hard for the military to ignore all the sightings on various military bases. Security concerns would dictate that they investigate. After all it could have been Russians wearing ghillie suits or costumes. Shooting or grabbing one would follow. Many of the installations involved would have lethal security response options. Based on my own experience capturing one might have been a very nasty experience for the soldiers involved if the BF let loose with infrasound. When did that grab happen? Perhaps all we have to do to figure that out, is find when the military became interested in infrasound as a field weapon? Once the military determined the infiltrators were just a mythological creature that was not a risk to security, it served them best to just ignore their presence. If real foreign agents, knew that BF had the run of some installations, it would not promote security. And you can expect everything about BF is classified with respect to the military.