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People can go back and reread our interaction, it's nothing like what your describing. We have just as much right to these threads and our opinion as you do. This whole thing started when Patterson Gimlin called you out on your claims....that's when you turned into Rambo and basically told me I was an idiot because I have not had my own sighting, or that I'm a hunter hunting the wrong animal, or that I don't listen to your advice. Dude, just erect a statue of yourself so we can all burn candles around the base! In the mean time maybe go out and find some collaborating evidence for these three troupes of Bigfeets you have bracketed

Our foot including extended big toe and arch, plus our eyes adapted for bright daylight, plus our thermo-regulatory system that is almost unique in the animal kingdom are adaptations for running extreme distances on open plains in bright sun. There are a lot of animals that are faster than we are sprinting but very few, maybe 3-4, can keep up with a conditioned human over 100-150 mile distances. We've come a long ways, adaptation-wise, from the trees. Sort of a personal note: I apparently detached a muscle deep in my calf which my physical therapist says humans haven't needed since we left the trees. It's a relic. Many of his patient athletes have the same injury. It hurts like holy hell when it flares up but I think he's right because I've still done several 15 mile or so day hikes, all I have to do is manage the swelling so it doesn't have a secondary impact on my achilles tendon. I find it interesting when this seemingly dry theoretical stuff lands in my lap (or leg) in a very personal way. Anyway, if you consider our specializations for high temp, daylight, long distance running, and think about what adaptations another (because there have always been at least two) human species might have to avoid direct competition and you come up with adaptations for cool, temperate climates, walking mountains, and nocturnal tendencies. Sound like anyone we have a forum here to talk about? 'course, if they got their feet set in their environment first, it's possible some of our more extreme adaptations have been to avoid competition with them rather than the other way around. MIB

In other words.....we don't need no stinking proof! silence! Its funny that the loudest howlers are the ones with just stories. I very much enjoy looking at looking at davedoe, bcwitness and others field trip pics. I enjoy Big Tree Walkers bone study. Bipedalist studies. Yanno? Guys that get out into the woods and share their findings with us.

Norse, I use a bridge every other day. I have no idea who built it, and frankly, I don't care. I don't know who founded what, I don't know who did what - and frankly, I don't care. I'm a just a bad person. What unsubstantiated claim? Are passers-by aware of some unsubstantiated claim that apparently has zero effect on the topic at hand? And took place apparently years ago? Am I supposed to find a gypsy and get her to conjure up the spirits and give me a detailed explanation of the events in question? Why would I? I find that as fascinating as trying to determine the inventor of my shop broom. And Incorrigible, you better believe you're not running me out. Not on your best day, and on my worst. You haven't exposed anything - just another dog yapping at the dark, and the neighborhood has plenty of those. Each time you attack me, you come up a bit short. My best advice is to ignore my posts and you'll not continue to suffer setbacks. But do what you want. I'm not the one getting embarrassed each time. And I notice that you have a high opinion of "your job." If it really was your job, you'd be fired for incompetence.

I tried to revive the "scariest sighting" threads because I enjoy reading and discussing the sighting reports. That's what I loved doing here. The arguing and posturing gets old quickly. Enough said..

I don't believe boredom really exists.....

The only person here taking anything personal is far archer.....and you evidently because your running to his rescue. Which makes a lot of sense actually. Patterson Gimlin questioned far archer's sighting. Boom. That's where it started , which has led us down this merry path and inspired far archer's completely new thread. How am I responsible for steering this thread into the ground? Or the other one?

And they were lead off to a reservation.....thank you for making my point. So back on topic, Sasquatch is a complete species, and not a hand selection of its finest young males. So how do you hide the old, crippled and very young? How do they fit into the giant stealth forest ninjas your seeing? Wounded and injured in combat do not count really.....because they are going to be medevac'd at some point. Sasquatch doesn't have that luxury. They are not patched up at a hospital nor are they medically discharged from service with a pension.

The so-called BF Community cannot even agree on the P-G film. The "Four Horsemen" of Sasquatch Life never had a personal encounter. Organized groups with a combined decades of time in the field (BFRO expeditions, GCBRO, NAWAC, et. al.) have absolutely nothing in the way of verifiable forensic evidence. IMO, the above constitute nothing more than an Ark of mamby-pamby which continues to be fueled by a junior high mentality, pervasive within the BFC. It's Einstein's definition of insanity, in full bloom. Am aware of five (5) individuals that experienced personal encounters and (to a man) have stated they would never venture near a BF website after reading/hearing of the savaging of those that unfortunately ventured therein and published their accounts. IMO, there's being aware of the potential for hoaxing/lying and there's also pizzing in the campfire thinking that's the way to signal others to the location.

I'm going to be frank here. The reason you receive a lot of flak? Is because you make a lot of unsubstantiated claims. Add to that? You talk down to people because of your claimed vast military experience. Your on a Internet forum, we don't have access to your DD214...... And thus far you have shown us nothing in way of proof. If you were us? What would you believe? Added: When anything you say gets called into question? You become super defensive.

Ok....so Bigfoot has mastered the 5 S's of camo......awesome. Where does it eat, sleep, poop, breed, give birth, grow old, die? We are not talking about the SAS behind enemy lines here. We are talking about a whole population. From crying babies, to the sick and crippled to the very old. In other words..... Non Patrol members who are noisy, slow you down and need constant care. Forget sightings.....where is the sign of this population? I see very little. One set of tracks a long time ago and a few twisted saplings that are supposedly attributed to them recently. 800 lbs creatures should be leaving a lot of sign behind. They are not being resupplied by helo. They are eating berries, digging tubers and killing game. We have a few bones with odd tooth marks, but nothing nation wide. Something is not right here. I'm convinced there are not many and in most areas are gone all together.

Actually, to me, the scientific community has falsified so many findings and made so many mistakes on other "scientific truths," that the scientific community conventional wisdom mean absolutely nothing to me. The "scientific community" can't hold their own evidence of something to the same standards - and won't - in an area they for some reason want to avoid - or where they've made up their minds of how evidence should be interpreted solely to reinforce a simple postulation they find convenient. You see, if a BF is collected, the so-called "experts" are suddenly all wrong. Their story of mankind is completely wrong, their story of migrations is completely wrong, their narratives of hominids is suddenly completely wrong, likely their postulations of anthropology are completely wrong - and guess what? Now there are NO experts - certainly not scientifically trained experts - as everyone has to start over. To suggest in the face of thousands of eyewitness report - related over the millennia, on almost every continent of the world, by separated peoples and cultures, in turn separated by oceans - and to tell the same stories, and common descriptions - and still ignore the preponderance of evidence? That's not scientific. That's just retarded. The only sanitized, approved, and accepted "evidence" in the scientific community - is that which can be fit into the narrative already predetermined. I was asked what I would do if I got one, and some were astounded that I wouldn't turn it over to the "scientific community." There's no way. It would likely just disappear like so many other skulls and bodies of giant critters that were handed over to the scientific authorities. Which have oddly, all disappeared. Now why would the "scientific community," holding to "scientific methodology," in the interest of "scientific pursuits" resort to such dishonest treachery? Like I said, they have a narrative, they like their narrative, they don't want anything changing the narrative, and I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them. And it's not just in this field. It's rampant in the "scientific community."

I think it's worth noting the time component here. When we talk about discovery of other unknown species, we're talking about a thing which has already happened. When we talk about sasquatch, we're talking about something which has yet to happen. Comparing the current state of each is an apples to oranges comparison. If we look back at past discoveries of unknown species during the time when they were suspected but unproven we have a closer analog to the sasquatch situation today. That still doesn't account for the cultural myth component of the picture. I can't think of another unproven species which was so deeply and broadly ingrained in our cultural mythos prior to official discovery as sasquatch is today. The picture, with context included, seems unique. However, ignoring the evidence which DOES exist merely because the big picture is unique is a major mistake. Evidence is evidence. I agree with LCB ... the evidence warrants broader and more serious attention than it has gotten from the very people who should be most interested. MIB PS: That still doesn't make bigfoot a bear.

Let me bottom line this, if you really want to prove to yourself these creatures exist, do not wait for some video, or something to pop up that is going to convince you. I suggest getting out into an area with a sighting history, spend some time in those areas, perhaps a day here and there. If you are determined, you will eventually discover that the evidence you are looking for is out there, perhaps a print, a vocalization, or if you happen to be so lucky, or unlucky, a sighting. Some of us have had that thrust upon us in one form or another, and really all we are doing is trying to understand them, and how they do exist. I for one am in the camp of pro science, if a body is required to prove they exist, then I support the harvesting of one creature to possibly save the rest. That may be a bit harsh sounding, but if it takes one to be sacrificed in order to prove to the world the rest should be protected, that is what I would choose.