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The reports! Read the REPORTS!

So is funding Everything - EVERYTHING or not ? Because 8 hours ago I thought it was EVERYTHING, but 6 hours later I find out it isn't all there is. I'm confused. IB word salad explaining I'm not a scientist or that I have not read all the reports yet.

Not all plains tribes were nomads either. Many tribes lived in earthen mounds and farmed along the Missouri River.

There are no fossils of humans in North America? Run that by me again? First thing that pops into my mind is Kenniwick man.

I would love to see a scientific inquiry. Of course that would including collecting a specimen. In other words . Shoot him.

Norse I have heard of similar estimates. If the creatures do exist it stands to reason they would of course live off the land as you described . Near water with fish and abundance of aquatic life. Food sources is one of the key reason I have always doubted their existence especially in places where the sources are limited. It is more logical they would reside in places where large bears eat and near water. From what I understand that is in fact where most credible sightings occur.

All good questions and points that must be considered. Being an omnivore would certainly give anything an advantage. Living in a southern climate would as well, much less snow or rivers/lakes freezing up. Further north you go it gets tougher.

Oh! Got it! See, when this happened to me, I too, was unaware of the rock throwing, unaware of their bedding constructs, unaware of their hooting and bird imitations, and in fact - just BF stupid, if you will. Only when I started reading up on reports and narratives did a lot of this stuff start to make sense. Yeah. That "few other things" are the real kickers. Those things I don't discuss, as I discovered the how and why of some of their unexplained capabilities.

Fair enough, and I think I understand a bit better WHY some of the rudeness I've run into. I got a few friendly warnings about some posters here from different individuals when I first got here, and sure enough, they came. Warned I'd get baited, tag-teamed, derided, etc., etc., and they weren't kidding. I finally decided I I'll just resort to an offensive defense - I won't start anything, I won't offend anyone - right up until they offend me. I refuse to be talked down to - by folks who have zero personal knowledge. It's just my nature. Now you say you're a disbeliever. I wish I was too. I wish I was the same way - I didn't ask for any of this - the face-to-face, the visits between midnight and sunup, the pebbles being thrown, and another few really stunning, troubling things I'm not discussing. I only related my introduction. I appreciate the words,

Shadow - some folks thing these things are more ape-like, and can give reasons. Some folks thing these things are more toward a human than an ape, or maybe midway in between. Of the two groups - apes and humans - guess what? They're both very social groups, both hold with families, and even clans. They socialize as families, clans, and groups, and they hunt as families, clans, and groups. Oh, but you have no proof, Archer! I could have a clan pose for family photos, and that would be insufficient proof. I could have the family members pose for a group photo, sign an affidavit attesting that this is the family group, and that would be insufficient proof. So I don't worry about proof - I'm just 99% certain.

Fararcher, you are going to have to realize how many times people have came here with stories similar to yours, military experience, close encounters, the whole works that turn out to be false, some admittedly so. That doesn't mean we will never accept your claims, or that we will. It's a "once bitten twice shy" sort of thing. You have to understand that. That's why we question. I understand that can be frustrating but turning hostile isn't going to improve anything and we all are guilty there. Now, let's see if we can all find some common ground. Most of us have at one time or another been subjected to what you are going through now. Norse has had his track find gone over, insulted, doubted, the whole nine yards. Same with Inc. in his tale of seeing another type of cryptid. I can relate to your wolf story. I myself have been gone over after saying Red Wolfs still exist where I live in East Texas and that I have seen them. The same ridicule and doubt. I know what I saw, and I know a wolf when I see one. Myself and my family have lived in these woods for generations and we know the animals. I also have an extensive background in Veterinary medicine and know canines. So I don't really care who believes me. And realize, there are those who will never believe anything you say. Many of them aren't worth the effort, they are denialists/scofftics who think they know it all. When it comes to Bigfoot, I am neither a believer nor a denier, I am a true skeptic. I question everything, but that doesn't mean I discount everything. I always say "90% of BF stories and evidence are crap, but it's those ten percent that aren't that keep my mind open". So just realize that when you are being hard pressed, that doesn't mean everyone who does so is out to get you. But even the denialists/scofftics serve an important purpose here, in my opinion. That's why I say the BFF (this forum) is the only place that matters when it comes to discussing BF. You get all sides and all angles and what comes out of that is either stronger for it or worthy of the 90% crap pile. And also realize that when you are being hard pressed, most of us have been there, done that and have earned our attitudes. And also know this place is far less skeptical than it used to be. Most of the nastier ones have tired and moved on. Those who are questioning you now really aren't denialists/scofftics, they're just skeptics who are trying to sort out truth from BS. It get's rough sometimes, but that's just the way it is.

Shadow, I assure you that I'm not this LongTabber, whoever he is. Never heard of him. Incorrigible hasn't been right yet so far as I've seen, and he certainly isn't right here. Some folks blind in one eye, and can't see out the other.

Haven't had a personal encounter, but after seeing the Patterson film, I became a believer. I don't believe that was faked. However, I reserve the right to doubt unsubstantiated evidence or call BS when I believe I'm seeing/hearing it.

You provide comedic relief. Sad an admin hasn't been about, lately. We don't generally tolerate such.

You gotta understand - what you and me, and others have experienced may have been a bit unusual, but to a handful here, they are classified as "extraordinary claims." If we'd reported seeing a crazy house cat tear up seven pit bulls, and also put the dog walker in the hospital - that may seem a bit unusual - although true - and it would be pretty much ignored. But if we report what we saw - and it has anything to do with BF, although there are thousands of very similar stories - suddenly - that's an "extraordinary claim." Just consider the sources of the forever "Irritated Ones." They're just aggravated they never had an experience, and gotta get all petty about it.

Agreed. Someone has doubts - I used to sit with them - so I have no problem with it. But some get downright snarky, and they're really not wanting to learn anything, or try to figure something out - they just want to argue. And I'm up for it. I've dealt with jerks all my life, so I'll take the time. I find it interesting that you also noted that the most opinionated are also the ones who never got close and personal with the subject of discussion. And if you try to bring in experience to relate a correlation - they deride that even worse. As to those "private sections," I have it on good word that I apparently - without intent - ran a bunch over there so they could discuss me without recourse. I find that hilarious and a bit satisfying. Yuchi, you're one that I've learned some things on, and I appreciate your sharing. It really is difficult to get folks to provide details or even a basic narrative, and I'm appreciative of each and every single one.

Yeah, that's the reason for such success with these things. You gotta know what you're up against.

I'm going to be frank here. The reason you receive a lot of flak? Is because you make a lot of unsubstantiated claims. Add to that? You talk down to people because of your claimed vast military experience. Your on a Internet forum, we don't have access to your DD214...... And thus far you have shown us nothing in way of proof. If you were us? What would you believe? Added: When anything you say gets called into question? You become super defensive.

Yep ... and when the sun goes down ... game over. MIB