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It is good reliable evidence that will eventually lead you to any remote chance of seeing one, if you're ever going to get close enough to take one Norseman. Knowing real tracks from fake, and the real and unmistakable sounds they make is part of the process. You spend a lot of time denouncing the worth of the other evidence when in fact it may educate those witnesses you want to hear from when they aren't sure what they experienced.

And so, young man, you concisely summed up why Sasquatchery continuously takes one step forward and then, two backwards. Keep the faith, fear not the slings and arrows of the functionally ignorant as their angst is the only touchstone within their grasp. Those that know firsthand of the subject matter still know what they know. Perhaps, when we bring the skeletal evidence to the proper venue, eyes and minds will be opened, for as long as the grass grows and wind blows.

Thoughts. Depend heavily on what one has to work with.

Me too. Lots of dug-in opinions. Flat learning curve. Arbitrary dismissals. I've apparently made unsubstantiated claims. Fair enough, as those who suggest such - weren't there. This attitude tells me, the entire premise of sharing is a major waste of time. No one should share diddly squat - as nothing can be substantiated. It's not the fault of those who by chance had up close experiences, while the naysayers and elite experts haven't had much luck themselves. Yet they know their way is best in spite of years of failures. It what you're doing isn't working . . . yet that somehow manages the ability to claim an elevated discerning capability. Just wow. One seems to have a problem with my military background, and yet was too lazy to check the reference I gave. Now that's just sorry-ness. I put it out, some here checked it out, some in the Admin, and are aware of who I am and are aware of my background. To keep bringing up the same question though already answered - demonstrates a selective ignorance. I'll never consider a single thing someone like that EVER says, as they're simply dishonest. Intentionally dishonest. By all means, everyone dig in, and keep doing what you're doing, the same way you're doing it. It's working so very well.

Good conference. Dr Meldrum gave a good eulogy to John Green. Dr Bindernagel could not attend because of health reasons. He sent a short video in his stead. Enjoyed Cliff's review of a game cam photo not originally posted on his website. That filled up the rest of Dr Bindernagel's allotted time. One big highlight for me was when Bob Gimlan spoke in place of another of the speakers that couldn't make it. He spoke of the days leading up to the PGF including that day, then the day following. Sounded like it was quite an adventure getting out of there the next day in the heavy rain and mud. Our research was well recieved. Really enjoyed talking to everyone I was able to. Derek Randles covered some of their latest investigation of the ground nests. They originally found eight but they are now up to 17 in the area. I enjoyed the two days I was able to attend.

I think this thread has been a good example of "The Bigfoot problem".

And, when there are no facts to substantiate, delusional assumptions often manifest themselves much like many of the JREF regulars.

This. Literally, the first thought I had.

Aye. But that which is understood, need not be stated.

But that's not what was said. "have seen them turn out to be nothing but big talk." That phrase "turn out" indicates a factual determination was made subsequent to the claim that was found to be false. So, the statement should be "it's a matter of personal opinion." I can live with that.

< If a person shares a narrative, or a report, how do you process the information and at some point arrive at a provable conclusion - one way or the other? I find this fascinating.> It's a matter of personal opinion. We use our knowledge and experience to determine who we find believable and who we don't. None of us are the final jury on any of this, if that's how you interpret my post. My point was, we've heard a lot of stories. Stories alone do not impress us.

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