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You can't have a discussion of the subject without the discussion of the players. Human personality and personal bents on a subject are always going to come into play, that's just the way things are with humans. If people have been run out of the forums then maybe this wasn't for them in the first place. Believer or skeptic, you have to have the conviction of your beliefs. If you don't have that then you will get run over every time. I come here for information and discussion about a subject that fascinates me and I'm interested and involved in. I don't necessarily come here to engage with extremes of either side, but sometimes that happens. By their actions, the players on both sides insert themselves into the discussion by their actions on the forums, so I call that fair game. If a certain person is just too overbearing for me to take, I just use my ignore option and move on. You can't separate the subject from the players....they won't let you. LOL, just noticed, I've been here for six years and am classed as a new member. Interesting. And that doesn't count the years on BFF 1.0

Hummm... if there are families of BF stealing entire fruit crops, wouldn't it be reasonably easy to track them? let me guess, the witnesses are not interested in providing evidence that BF exists, they don't want to ruin their relationship with the animals, so we shouldn't even ask for evidence because they won't help no matter what. They just want to pass along the experience so we all know that they are "knowers". And of course, Branco will respect their wishes and won't reveal the location or any data that would allow confirmation. He just wants us to know that he is connected to knowers and that he is a knower himself. Next!

My wife bought us electric assist mountain bikes, she sold our Giant peddle bikes. The electric assist is awesome! Going up hill is easy on electric assist. Makes riding with my shot 62 yr old knees a breeze, I have logged about 120 miles so far with a little on trails, so far we love these.

Yesterday I saw a guy with his pick up towing a small pop up camper and a dirt bike in his bed, I thought that would be a perfect rig to go and do some research somewhere motorized bikes are permitted. Sounds like you guys have some sort of rigs, just curious what type of equipment anyone recommends for either long term excursions or short term. I have done some tent camping in the Boundary Water Wilderness Area bordering Ontario/Minnesota, and that always was a very satisfying experience. Usually it was hard to return to suburban Chicago with it's hustle and bustle, literally I would be on a totally different wave length, but one I certainly enjoyed. Tragic thing is that the repose that nature teaches us, most likely our natural estate, is quickly lost when forced to race around meeting our modern day demanding lifestyle. Everyone needs to get off the grid and soak up some solitude. It is a key to knowing who you are and what your purpose is in this world. I highly recommend it. One such night, I was the only person fishing for walleye on opening day, Memorial day, water temp 45 degrees, it was midnight, the northern lights ablaze, stars so dense that they blurred together, and I caught a large walleye on almost every cast and had my limit in about 1/2 hour, only because it took a while to get them on the stringer as I was standing on a rock at the base of some rapids that dumped into a beautiful serene series of pools surrounded by Canadian shield bluff formations rising 30 to 40 feet above. Times and places like that get etched into your mind.