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I missed this original post. My initial exposure followed a couple of footprint finds. I knew they existed and were in the area. I was just a matter of being there when they were. The first encounter started with whooping back and forth as they came down on each side of a large creek towards me. This creek would be called a river in most of the country. At first, I thought the whoops were some strange owl. Then when the second one started answering I was puzzled. Had never heard owls whooping back and forth to each other. I stood and figured they would come flying up the creek towards me, like an eagle I had seen another time flying up the creek. I did not know it was a BF until I heard the footfalls. One was headed right towards me and I could tell from the footfalls and breaking dry wood it was huge. The sounds of the T-rex breaking through the brush in the first Jurassic Park movie came rushing through my mind. I was right in one's path and had a fleeting thought that I might die right then and there. I looked around and realized that there was no place to hide. I thought about my gun and just knew that it would be useless for something that big. I did not even draw it. It saw me before I saw it and when down into a crouch with an enormous thud that I felt through my feet. 15 seconds or so of silence then rapid tree knocks of 4 or 5 knocks. I had not even heard of the ape/ human like whooping before. So did not initially know what it was. This happened mid day. They are not suppose to be out and about in mid day was the second surprise. The apparent mass of what was making the footsteps was the most surprising thing. After waiting for it to do something, I ventured towards it, and got the picture of the juvenile popping up and peeking at me. Fear suddenly hit me, I felt trapped by all the down wood around me that I had started to crawl over, to get to where I heard the thud, and I wanted to back out. After I did, and all the noise of the approach they withdrew completely silently. I did not hear another noise from them as they left. That something huge enough to make that noisy approach could withdraw without so much as a twig breaking is remarkable. Before, I figured my first encounter might take years and that it would be a fleeting glimpse through the trees from a great distance. I did not know I would be that close, nearly run over, and I would get a picture, all within 5 months of my first footprint find. That it happened so quickly was the most surprising thing to me. Now years later, that it happened at all, is the remarkable thing to me. I just happened to be in the right place at the right time and they did not know where I was because of several reverses of direction of travel.

The differentiation is that those who suggest an alien or supernatural origin do not define flesh and blood as I have already stated. That being, any creature born into earths atmosphere, dependent on its resources, subject to its gravity, and subject to the entropy that defines that existence. If we talk of a hybrid being, one who has been manipulated either in terms of it being earthly or alien, well you no longer have a flesh and blood being as I am defining it, although something may appear to have a similar form. I am talking about the laws of natural existence as we know them on this planet. I am talking about creatures produced by this planet, and have survived by specialization and adaption, that is what I am all about here....now whether or not other influences are at play I am not arguing either way, only that the origin of the Sasquatch is earthly and natural, and if something else has interrupted that.....well that does not change the fundamental truth....whether with humans or with sasquatch... we are flesh and blood natural beings according to what is natural to our planetary existence.

Vision ... ok, yeah. It wasn't a sighting, but around the 19th/20th of August, 2011, I had night visits 2 nights in a row by the same lake (though different camp spots). Both nights it was incredibly dark while the activity was going on and that quit when the moon came up. We were in the bottom of a glacial cirque by a small lake, 10-12 acres perhaps, under heavy alpine fir canopy, the moon, which would have been about half, wasn't to rise above the canyon rim for several more hours, and the second night, the sky was about half obscured by remnant thunder clouds. It was so dark the second night I could not see the outline of my hand in front of my face, I could only locate it by finding a star and moving my hand in front of it. The second night, the big guy came in walking at fairly high speed, steps cadence like mine but much longer steps covering ground fast. He was changing directions as he weaved between tree trunks on his way in. He didn't hit any of them, didn't hit any of the logs, and the only swishing was the snowberry as he walked through it, no branches pushed aside that I heard. Bipedal, absolutely. 900 pounds or more. Soft bottomed or leather bottomed shoes, not soled shoes. Yeah, that sucker could SEE. In fact, as he stood over me, invisible to me, a lot of things went through my head. Ishi? Feral people or a remnant tribe with access to night vision gear? What the ... what the ... what the .. ? Because it would take the equivalent of night vision gear to see to have walked that route into camp without running into something and to have seen me and stopped before stepping on me. MIB

Fair. Wish I could drop names thus giving credit where credit is due, but "a really good friend" suggested that where possible, bedding areas might be tucked up under the foot of a bluff where they can't be approached from above. It sort of resonated with your question about them maybe not detecting what is above them. It might provide safety in a direction they're otherwise particularly vulnerable. From a strategic perspective, only having to post watch in one direction instead of two might have advantages too .. of course, it could prove a trap if something gets close enough from below and you can't escape upwards. Just thinking out loud. MIB

I just heard references made to thermal cameras - and if you wish - I'll share what I am familiar with. Thermal cameras don't have a lens like a regular camera - it's a sensor that's shaped like a lens - but the only thing it takes in is infrared radiation. Cooler areas are darker, warmer areas show lighter. They just differentiate heat. I've had one for the last seven or eight years, so I've had a bit of experience with them. I see guys with thermals that have the screen walking around, trying to find Bigfoot. First - that screen is illuminating his face - and if a critter has decent night vision - especially with eyes twice as big as ours - his face is going to stick out like a spotlight. The others have an eyepiece that eliminates that facial illumination. They're more "covert." There are resolution variances. The higher the resolution - the more expensive it is. Go figure. So with cameras with the lesser resolution have less detail than cameras with higher resolution. The FLIR's for IPhones have like an 80X60 resolution in the lower end, and upper level products have a 160X120 resolution (twice the other). HIgher resolution cameras have 640X480, with others at 320X240, 240X180, 120X120, and 60X60. The trick is to get the most resolution you can afford. One other "trick." While FLIR has a number of color palettes to choose from, if you're in a forest or woods and use any of the color palettes, trust me - while colorful and pretty, it's way too "busy." It's hard to pick out details in a hurry. So the best way to detect things that may be trying to hide, or are peeking around a tree - is the good old black and white setting. Even the military uses the black and white as it's easier to detect "targets." And not get distracted with all these flashy colors. All business.

You're the expert on hypothermia undressing - you tell us. Use simple logic. It'll come to you. I recall a mass hypothermial undressing of sorts. Folks appear to have gotten too cold, suffered from group hypothermia, cut their way out of their tent, and walked away in the snow - only to die. Place called, Dylatov Pass. Maybe this is a good example of what you're talking about. First two bodies (both named Yuri) were found at the base of a large cedar tree, with remains of a fire, but per your postulation of hypothermia - being out of their minds, they tried to climb the tree - as evidenced by limbs broken off fifteen feet high - as evidenced by tree bark embedded in their hand tissues. They were found in underwear and shoeless, with the temperature around 5 degrees F. Every single one was only partially dressed - to your point. Dyetlov and two others were found in a line, suggesting they may have been trying to get back to the tent (I assume in a moment of hypothermial lucidity). Dyetlov was found on his back, a twig in one hand, the other covering his face and eyes as though to avoid something. Slobodin was found face down with a deeply fractured skull (maybe another mysterious characteristic of hypothermia?) Kolmogorova was found with traces of blood around her body, but no obvious signs of struggle. Hypothermia undressing is weird to say the least. The other four were found - more - or at least partially dressed - two months later as they had been buried in twelve feet of snow - and all died of massive internal injuries. Thibault-Brignol had major skull damage. Dubinina and Zolotarev had their chests crushed inward with enough force to break ribs and rupture organs - but oddly - no external bruising or lacerations. Doctors who examined the bodies could come up with no explanations on how such powerful trauma could have been imparted on their bodies - reminiscent of a major car crash. Dubinina was found with her head thrown backwards as in a scream, without a tongue which had been ripped out at the base or eyes - which had likewise been removed from their sockets. Per your postulation - hypothermial disrobing certainly does a good job of explaining this event. Mystery solved.

There are a couple operations in play, and each of two operations depends on two other postulations. Some here, including me, have a belief or lean toward these creatures being a sort of hybrid. Some others have a belief, or lean toward these creatures being an evolutionary product. Mainstream anthropology holds that our species - homo sapiens sapiens, is the sole survivor of an extended evolutionary product. Some of us believe that's just not the case. For an evolutionary product, however - one must absolutely require steady-state geology. No other way around it. For a hybridization product - one can have catastrophic geology, as hybridization among multiple species provides more and different offspring, better able to withstand catastrophic geology - ice ages and such. The fossil record is full of anomalies (things that deviate from what is standard, normal, or expected) and this is true of human fossil origins and variations. Just a few years back, in Ethiopia, an Arizona State grad student found the oldest modern jawbone that dated at 2.8 million years ago, pushing back the allowable time per steady-state geology by 400,000 years. This is right about the time homo broke away from Australopithicines like Lucy - and oddly, was found real close to where the Lucy fossils were found. This could be a problem - two vastly different species occupying roughly the same area at roughly the same time. So why I mention anomalies - impossible recent anomalies - in the fields of climatology, geology, and even biology - is that steady-state geology has some real problems. Occam's Razor says that if there are two theories, the theory with the fewer assumptions should be the one taken. Critics would say, accept neither until more variables come in sufficient to confidently indicate one or the other. A variation of application would state, "if two theories are presented, the one with fewer impossibilities should be chosen." Science hates anomalies. Science hates anomalous artifacts. Science hates clear evidence that contraindicates their previous assumptions. I would suggest there are fewer impossibilities in looking at geology as catastrophic geology, and fewer problems in leaning toward hybridization - rather than steady-state geology and a strictly evolutionary product - resulting in homo sapiens sapiens - US. Which disallows for the existence of these critters. Which I know good and well exists today.

Yeah, and they used the term "phenomenon." Not "typical." Two-thirds were attributed to ethanol in the blood, twice the legal intoxication, and the temperatures were below freezing, but with a few exceptions, temps were above freezing. I'm aware of this most unusual phenomenon - but it's very rare and I certainly never saw an example myself. Of course, most of our rescues and searches involved hunters and folks definitely not drinking. Nor were we - the searchers. We had folks freezing to death all the time - usually they were intoxicated, sat down or lay down outside, and froze. And to be more accurate - it was Company O, Arctic Rangers, 75th Infantry. My four MOS's were combat related - not a medic - although I can do quite a bit of emergency treatment from cross-training we received. Bottom line - it's a very unusual circumstance when this phenomenon occurs - very rare - and just not very common.

I agree with JDL. I think it is **Ketchum** that is done, not the hybrid idea. The case is not as strong as it would be had her study been valid but it is not zero either. Once she suggested it, quite a few other pieces were noticed pointing that same direction. Removing her from the picture does not remove them, those other things still point where they point. MIB