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While looking through some newspaper microfilm for something unrelated, I ran across this. Sherman Democrat, in Sherman TX. For those unfamiliar, Sherman is in Grayson County. Lake Texoma, and the Red River is along it's northern border. The article refers to "Highway 82" which is present day "Highway 56". I made a copy, but it was hard to read, so I re-typed it. Looked on Mapquest and Blue Creek crosses the highway in a couple of places. Huge Ape Reported Seen At Blue Creek By WILLIE JACOBS Democrat Staff Writer (July 20, 1960) BLUE CREEK- Is there a gorilla loose near this small community? J.O. Conrad, his wife and son, who live here three miles east of Sherman on Highway 82, say they saw "a seven-foot gorilla or some kind of monster" Monday night near their home. His story came to light only Friday. The animal has been reported seen near Bells by one other person. Some people merely shake their heads and smile at the story while others stand behind Conrad's report. Gorilla or not the citizens of Blue Creek are keeping their doors locked tight and firearms handy. Conrad said he had just gone to bed Monday night about 10:30 or 11. "I was smoking a cigarette when the dog started barking," he said. " I looked out the east window and saw him, He looked to be seven feet tall and about three feet wide across the back. He stood upright but hunched over." At first glimpse Conrad said he thought it might be a man walking through his yard. "Then I saw it was too big to be a man," he explained. "I jumped out of bed and got my flashlight and gun." Mrs. Conrad and their son, James, 13, watched the creature from the bedroom window. Conrad said he stepped off his front porch toward the animal and fired three times. "I know I hit him at least once. but he didn't even flinch. That's when I went after my shotgun," Conrad said. Mrs. Conrad called the sheriff's office in Sherman. Deputies warned against shooting the animal, afraid a bullet wound would cause it to attack. "I fired the shotgun over his head, but he didn't run, just shuffled of to the east down the side of the highway," Conrad continued. "I jumped in my car and followed. I got a real good look at him in my headlights while I was following him. "He looked black as coal. He was real hairy except for his face," he said. "I was about 20 feet from him when I shot, and I didn't try to get closer. I was scared." All the way to the Blue Creek bottom, a few hundred yards east of the community, Conrad said the animal swayed and shuffled slowly along on his back legs. "His front legs were just hanging down and swinging around," he said. After the animal went into the underbrush at the creek, Conrad said he gave up the search, afraid to follow the beast in the brush. Mrs. Curtis Wilson, who lives about 100 yards east of Conrad across the highway, said she and her husband were awakened shortly before Conrad saw the animal. "We heard something rattling around in the shrubbery beside the house, and our two dogs were going crazy," Mrs. Wilson said. "Then we heard something thump against the house and the dogs hushed, just like they had been turned off." When her husband went outside, Mrs. Wilson said the dogs were cowering in a corner on the porch and "shaking just like somebody had whipped them." At the same time, Mrs. Wilson said the Wilson's cows hehind the house had begun an uproar. The Wilson's first thought of a wolf. "Then we heard Mr. Conrad shooting and my husband got his deer rifle. But by the time he got out to the highway, whatever it was had gone into the creek bottom brush," she said. Mrs. Wilson said most of the people living near the community had kept their dooors locked since. Conrad said his wife was so scared that she did not go to sleep the rest of the night and had to have medical treatment the next day. W.B. Thompson of 716 S. Burdette, Sherman was working the same night at an all-night station in the Star community between Bells and Denison. He said a man drove into the station for gas and told him he had just seen a large, strange-looking animal along the roadside near Bells. Thompson did not get the man's name. Conrad said that as he started to follow the beast in his car another car came down the highway approaching the animal from behind. "That fellow must have seen the gorilla because he threw on his brakes and almost stopped at the side of the animal. Then he stepped on it and got out of there. I thought he would stop and help me, but he must of been scared, too." Grayson Sheriff's Deputy James Spaugh answered Mrs. Conrad's call for help. He said that as far as he is concerned "Conrad definitely saw something and it wasn't a man." Next morning Conrad took his wife to the doctor. When he returned around noon, he could find no tracks on the hard dry ground. "Some men who work around here had drug a wrecked car over the spot where I saw that thing standing. There weren't any tracks left," he said. Conrad said he had never seen a gorilla before. "I looked in my dictionary the next morning and found one. I know I saw a gorilla," he said. At the suggestion of a possible hunt for the beast in the Blue Creek bottom, Conrad said: "With that gorilla down there? Not me, buddy. I'm scared."

I think preplanning a 3am vocal outburst toward a human residence where a noctural sighting occurred months in the past from a recordable distance that exhibits their talents in phonation and animal emulation (even emulating some of the researchers animal emulations used in the course of research) is pretty good evidence that they "think" through what they are doing. Remembering and drumming a drummed sequence from three months earlier used one time in a course of research and them having the ability to reproduce that in the wee hours so that it could be recorded, tells me they have preplanning ability. Of course you could say a squirrel has preplanning ability to do nut-gathering but this is different, not an instinct. These are learned behaviors. Of course rats can learn to bar press in a Skinner box and pigeons to peck light sequences in same. Still, I think you know where I am going with this. Do they express intelligence to form higher level communications within their own groups? Do we really have enough intelligence gathering yet to say how that might work? Simply because they may not use fire, may not use tools other than rudimentary clubs, etc., doesn't really tell the full story at this point to me.

This ^, I had an intense six to eighteen months of this back in the 2006-2008 realm. Some lesser form of knowledge of a more distant interaction for years after that. The test phase of interaction, the obstacle course and the mind-blowing phase do occur for those at the closest edges of this science. I'm sure there may be other phases and I'm not really sure I want to go through them at this point from what I know. Not posting or talking like a "knower", just as an informant, take what you want, leave the rest, or file it all in a round basket really, I personally don't post up for attention. Came here to let others know what I know--it's called sharing---, and learn more about what I don't; simply that and nothing more. This is the intelligence gathering role that Thom Powell refers to in some of his work, nothing more nothing less. Maybe the reports analyzed become a living thing after some witnesses report back too, perhaps! I analyzed a ton of reports before, during and after my encounter. Many call this tainted reporting and research that I see mentioned in many circles. I realized I was on a trail and I followed it as far as I could and it led to a sighting. I'm sure I butt heads with many researchers in what I saw and report about. At this stage of reporting I am true to self and the chips can fall as they may. Can you tell flesh and blood juxtaposes against paranormality but in a happy comfortable medium in my world view of Sasquatch? If, as a witness I am contradicting so-called "researchers" then maybe the so-called researchers have not had the opportunity or circumstances to witness what has befallen me or just maybe they fail to report or fail to analyze what they have seen in the same way.

A couple comments on that? I'm not aware of an eradication program. I think if it were happening in the Pacific NW on a scale large enough to have any chance at all of being effective, I'd know about it ... unavoidable. So .. I think such a notion falls under the heading of conspiracy theory, in other words, no factual basis. I'm also not aware of any effort to conceal the number of reports. I would have to be directly involved in that ... and I'm not. So again, conspiracy theory with no factual basis. There are some things that seemingly should have happened but have not. So far, I see nothing to support any of the imagined reasons why. That's one of the things that keeps me interested. I'm looking for that "ah-hah" moment. But ... I am **looking** for it, a real one, not an imaginary one. Something I can document, something I can prove. There aren't even credible hints, just paranoid beliefs with nothing more than shaky deduction to support them. So far, that is. If I find evidence to the contrary, I'll chase that, too. If there really is a conspiracy, that might well be something I'm more inclined to prove and it might even suggest something about bigfoot that would make me more inclined to prove existence than I am at the moment. MIB

The moment a new species is verified - the proverbial crap hits the fan - six ways to next week. Immediately, every state game commission will have demands made from both sides of the kill/no kill groups. Logging permits will be affected. Hunting preserves will be affected. Public land leases will be affected. Access to many areas will be adversely affected. Federal and state funding initiatives will be pressed to "protect" a "new" endangered species. Forestry services will have multiple demands placed on them. Hunters will have new limitations placed on them. Billions of dollars will be re-allocated for study, preservation, and access. Then in the scientific community - things will go full retard - and you never go full retard. Likely, the entire anthropological narrative will be scrapped, deconstructed, patched, and reconstructed - to allow for this "new" species. This will take decades. The field of anthropology will likely be turned upside down. Numerous scientific disciplines will be called in to make determinations - some to "verify" preconceived theories and notions - some not - such as multiple DNA studies to determine where and when this "new" species fits into the flawed theory now in place. There will be more new theories than the entire Wal-Mart chain has suppositories. In the short term - scientific chaos. Fights among disciplines. Everyone from sociologists to anthropologists, to field biologists, to archaeologists, to climatologists, to paleo-biologists - all will demand immediate access to the body - thousands and thousands of immediate demands. Going to be a circus. Then, for every examination and subsequent determination - others will demand the same access to test, validate, and verify previous determinations. Thousands of whizzing contests. And that doesn't even begin to address the potential for another round between Darwinists and Creationists. Currently, Darwinists do not allow for this species - but it is allowed by Creationists. Someone is wrong. Nope. No reason at all for conspiring to keep this critter concealed and unidentified.

I share your concern regarding the thumb placement and limitations it should impose which do not appear in the report data. At least one close witness reported a thumb arrangement indistinguishable from ours. That is congruent with throwing reports like Ape Canyon as well as some I've assisted in the investigation of, still unpublished, where great accuracy was demonstrated. If there is any validity to the alternate thumb position being suggested, it may point to a second species or to some kind of inconsistent but common genetic variation, something which will prove interesting and unexpected when we learn what it is. MIB

^ huh??

Posted this one up in the wrong thread by accident: Along the lines of body shape. What if Sasquatch does not have a thumb placement the same as humans on the hand (opposable thumb)? Suppose it did. http://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms8717 (love the time-calibrated color phylogenetic tree in this one) Precision-grip vs. power-grip (Napier, 1965) I propose that Sasquatch could not throw with the accuracy presented in manifold reports without having a human-like opposable thumb appendage (not offset lower on the hand like chimpanzee). I also propose that Sasquatch could not place precise stick arrangements I have documented with a more primitive grip. Also John Bindernagel's first book [ http://www.island.net/~johnb/ and John's new website visit and buy a book he has cancer http://sasquatchbiologist.org/ ] analyzes a sighting of a Sasquatch clubbing ducks with many in hand also. I find this harder to accomplish with a gorilla-like thumb. Yes, there have been observations of the odd lowered thumb placement among Sasquatch sighting reports too however. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1571064/ Also it is rather odd concerning the quadripedal sightings of Sasquatch locomotion as this would normally infer that they would not have the bipedal dynamic balance as bipeds to be accurate throwers or club-wielders. There are many conundrums in the anecdotal sighting records if you analyze them to the utmost. Shape of the foot, mysterious trackways that come from nowhere and lead to nowhere? Powerful mountainside ascents that seem like someone is heaving the Sasquatch up with a rope. Mid-tarsal break or not? Barackman presented a reported research investigation that supposedly led to Sasquatch handprint fingerprint dermatoglyphics, yet the powerpoints were not distinct or that detail was absent. I would truly like to see the dermatoglyphic evidence from that report from the Sasquatch Summit at Quinault Resort, 2016. Just a few musings, not comprehensive in any way.

Using Koko as an example of an intelligent primate, not particularly human, she was actually concerned and asked about the after life of her kitten when it died, need you more examples of higher thinking in primates. Let me suggest that Sasquatch is the closest creature to human intelligence, perhaps so close it would be frightening to see what they could conceive. Bipedalist makes a pretty valid point, let me take it one further....What if they want to bedazzle us with their capabilities....which is what was being suggested. I think they could do that with relative ease. I think they could definitely plot to confuse the daylights out of us, even incorporating some forms of deception into the mix. Humans have learned how to master illusion as a form of entertainment, but this art goes back to an adaption for the need to survive. These creatures might actually be able to throw a voice, or do something very clever in order to throw us off of the reality of what they are, do not put it past them. Hand tricks performed by a magician illustrate how our perception is fairly easily manipulated, if that is the case, perhaps they have gotten a hold of how to manipulate our perception to a degree, that seems to strike a chord in me for some reason. Even my vocal encounter had that effect, it was like it was happening in a slightly different space of reality, that is probably just my reaction to that situation, but couple that with the possibility of them being able to master some forms of illusion, just an interesting possibility when it comes to intelligence and adaption. Maybe I am giving them slightly too much credit here, but consider that in order to survive these creatures have adaptions driven by the need to remain a hidden very large creature at the top of the food chain, that does require spectacular adaptions in order to consider the creature a reality, so everything is in play. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/magic-neuroscience-cognition-illusions/

While a body of this creature has never been recovered, numerous people have claimed to shoot them and bring them down. NOT ALL OF WHICH TESTED AS BEAR. Starting with the Ape Canyon incident and others, or the Daniel Boone story. If one considers the Minnesota iceman as a possible piece of evidence, the original that was examined by scientists who arrived at the conclusion of a real creature, it had been apparently shot through the eye socket. Justin has plenty of supporters, including Derrick Randles who does not generally fall prey to hoaxers. Many other eyewitness accounts have been told, some hardly believable, but others quite credible, that report taking the creature down with a gun shot. If it is flesh and blood it will bleed, blood samples have shown a unknown primate. Remember the Snell Grove Lake incident when the owner placed a large spiked mat at the front door, and the blood and flesh that was recovered, obviously could have been a bear, but the shape of the blood stain suggested a different foot shape. The NAWAC recovered blood from a hit they made when trying to harvest a specimen. It will one day be a deer hunter or bear hunter who does bring one in, I just hope the press gets to it before the authorities confiscate the remains. Then all the hocus pocus will be put to rest.

Yeah, you do progress. Or at least I did. After my first encounter I couldn't accept any other possibility than that it was some sort of freakish man. The second convinced me that it had to be something other than a man, though I had no evidence that there was more than one of them. Upon my third encounter I realized that she was one of "them", though I still had no idea what "they" were. It allowed me the opportunity to observe and attempt to communicate. The fact that she was female and pregnant held all sorts of implications, mainly that they were a species, and breeding. Being stalked by three others immediately after that cemented the realization that they had their own community and worked cooperatively. I imagine that someone else might progress through escalating stages of fear and anxiety (as opposed to cautious engagement) if the circumstances were different.

Clearly you guys know a lot about biolygollygee.

On the lines of extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, if you want to talk about another cryptic or use it as a point of reference you should be willing to come out and say exactly what you are talking about. There is nothing to be gained from cryptic stories of cryptic creatures as they relate to BF.

Gorilla was his only choice. When I was getting growled at - it had to be a bear, wolf, or mountain lion. No other choices. Bear, wolf, or lion. Turned out, that wasn't they weren't the only choice.

Perhaps the "strategist" in "K-strategist" is misleading. To be clear, the K-strategist label is not speculation on Bigfoot "survival strategies" as if these were part of the animal's psychology. The term K-strategist refers to one of the most basic characteristics of an organism's biology, namely its life cycle. You are speaking of intelligence as if it can override this basic fact of biology or its consequences, but it can't. Even humans are K-strategists whether they like it or not. No matter how intelligent a human woman is, she cannot have a three-month pregnancy that ends with her giving birth to octuplets who can fend for themselves and leave the house after six months. This is simply not an option, regardless of brainpower. The same is true for Bigfoot, if it has the K-strategist life cycle. What you say about Bigfoot having complete mastery of its environment actually heightens the consequences of its K-strategist biology. The better an organism is able to utilize its environment, the more equipped it will be to populate that environment. A highly intelligent K-strategist is going to max out the carrying capacity of its environment. As (relatively) highly intelligent K-strategists, humans are doing just that. Since the origin of Homo sapiens, we have been moving inexorably towards the point where every part of the planet capable of supporting human life will have a human living there. Again, intelligence has not liberated us from the K-strategist biology; instead, it has just made us more efficient K-strategists. This is where habitat-related pressure comes in. Suppose the ice caps melt and the sea levels rise, and most of Florida ends up underwater as a result. The human population of Florida is going to drop because our population of Florida is close enough to the carrying capacity of our environment that we are not just going to be able to cram all of the Floridians into the panhandle if we lose our "habitat" down here. Again, our intelligence has increased the consequences of our K-strategist biology. If we had been less intelligent, we would not have been able to populate the panhandle as aggressively as we have, and the panhandle would still have enough remaining carrying capacity to support our refugees. I hope I have made it evident that species do not overcome their K strategist biology by way of intelligence. If anything, intelligence and mastery of the environment allow a species to max out all of the ecological consequences of the K-strategist biology, to its advantage in the case of populating an environment all the way up to carrying capacity, but to its disadvantage when loss of range or habitat occurs. Finally, regarding your observation: Family units are what happens when extreme K-strategists hold to non-solitary behavior patterns. They still fit into the K-strategist life cycle of one offspring at a time (twins and so forth being the exception and not the rule) and a significant duration of direct parental involvement in the offspring's wellbeing. In fact, if you hadn't been observing a K-strategist species, you would have seen something very different.

And I agree with that to the level that they learn from creatures outside themselves. That do seem to have that capacity. If there were no Humans though I sincerely doubt they would rise much above what it would take for them to manage themselves withing a given habitat. They may have a limit to the tool box they develop for survival and unless outside influences and ideas enter their realm I truly doubt they would advance much. I've watched seagulls maneuver in to a bag of goodies nd even tip themselves upside down getting into that bag once Humans have left to go swimming or for a walk. Seagulls have that kind of capacity for learning such skills. Plug that idea into a seven foot tall bipedal creature thet has lived with us for couple of our more advanced centuries and there would be a lot to learn and mimic. Memory in the animal kingdom is everything beyond instinct that gives them the edge but it takes stimuli to initiate that memory whether it's being shot or habituated. Humans do not differ all that much in that regard BTW and so transferring that kind of behavior in the animal kingdom to Sasquatch is not a stretch by any means. It addresses many things about what folks witness. Nothing paranormal required really, just a sensitivity to its surroundings- which is normal- and a sensitivity to us....its hairless mirror image.

Yes, they are. Very clever. Adaptability. In a London museum, there's a display ostensibly showing evolution in action over a relatively short period of time. Up top, and fading left to right, line after line, they've assembled moths that lived in London in the nineteenth century - top left being off-white moths - and this supposedly shows that as the Industrial Revolution used more coal, and as buildings and tree barks were gradually coated and darkened from the smoke, the moths adjusted and evolved darker and darker to match their environment. That's total BS. In reality, as the local environment gradually darkened, those moths who were off-white stood out more against the darker backgrounds and were picked off faster than those darker moths who blended more easily. That's not evolution - that's natural selection to be sure - but the moths didn't evolve, those that fit the environment of the moment just did better than those whose color didn't fit the environment of the moment. We - the scientific community I should say - assume we have a fairly complete fossil record of bipedals, and assume all bipedals came out of Africa - something I don't agree with. They've found a few fossils here and there - ON THE SURFACE - and arbitrarily assigned the fossils a strata they belonged to - as they were not found in situ. That makes my personal belief that the fossil record is significantly lacking, and what's portrayed is inaccurate and assumed. In North America alone, a lot of big animals went extinct 2,000 - 12,000 years ago. Big animals. Saber-tooth was one big cat - 600 to 800 pounds. The ancient Bison was 25% larger than current Bison. North American Camels weighed some 1,800 pounds. The Glyptodon - like a huge armadillo - got almost 11 feet long and weighed up to two tons. Short faced bear was HUGE - about 11-12 feet long and weighing 2,100 pounds. North American Jaguar weighed about 210 pounds. Giant Ground Sloth reached almost 10 feet long and weighed almost a ton. Anyone seeing a pattern here? Just because there are scrawny little fellows found in Africa, doesn't mean in North America or even other continents - that very primitive man wouldn't be much larger - as just about everything else was. The Woodwose in Europe was also reported to be a very large, hairy man. Like a primitive man. A primitive caveman, so to speak. And I think that's what this thing is. It's not an ape - but a very clever, very adaptable form of primitive man. Not human to be sure - but it's not ape, either. Adaptability is often a function of an ability to THINK and adapt - not be the white moths that get picked off the darker buildings and bark.

Ok, first off, Hiflier, I must say I enjoy and appreciate your input and ideas, at times out the box thinking, and willingness to explore and consider various pathways of inquiry and interpretation . Kudos. However, some of the things you stated five posts up are quite rather "sapiens-centric" and somewhat display the high handed self-impressed assumptions and conclusions our species is so well known for ("I know! they always do that! like they're some 'chosen monkey' or something! like who died(or they drove to extinction) and made them the pinnacle of evolution? they don't even have fur!") Body configuration does not dictate intelligence as long as there are biologic processes that support firstly, self awareness(so like most every organism that interacts with an environment) and secondly awareness of the external reality. With these two, intelligence may expand and cognition progress. "Brain development is not open ended whereby a raccoon say, can figure out a complex math problem" Any more advanced species observing us could well say the same thing.... "these things are so limited, they haven't the capacity to progress past rudimentary string theory or quantum mechanics! it's a dead end..." We as humans have virtually no means to perceive, much less determine, the levels of abstraction within the communications and minds of other living organisms. To dismiss even the possibility of such is an act of arrogance that blinds us to potentials we've yet to conceive or realize. . "There is no doubt that it is animal and its brain will limit it to animal even though it's body type will allow it to do so much more than any other animal. Its diminished right brain capacity will insure that it never rises above that level" once again, this could just as easily apply to our species, all a matter of perspective and self-image. Even within the paradigm of body type determining limits of cognitive development, the anatomic similarity would indicate strong parallels of potentials between BF's and humans. So, consider the idea that our physically founded drive progressing us through our biologic then cognitive/social development resulted in our departure from strictly physiological guidance as our cognitive capacity allowed us to visualize then manifest new pathways to manage corporeal existence, as seen in our technology, realization and application of abstract conceptualization, social constructs, and the delivery of pizza. So, in light of the form parallels, this physically founded drive element must(for the sake of the discussion)exist within the BF in some perhaps slightly altered, but none the less potent, presence and level, which could have focused and directed their attention and intent, manifesting in development of awareness, abstraction, and environmental utilization, which while disparate from our own in content, is equal in extent. Just a thought......

Remind me again .. how much experience do you have with them, first hand, face to face? Anything at all to suggest you have the foggiest idea what you're talking about instead of just yanking stuff out of your butt telling people who DO have the experience they didn't see what they saw because if they had it would inconveniently invalidate your foregone conclusion? Just checking ... MIB